[skyline408]

Originally Posted by gknights1

Pretty absurd, not sure how they constantly justify price increases without exponentially improving things.

Man, you gone out to eat recently? For my family of four, 2 adults and 2 kids, dinner out is easily $90+.

Everything has gone up!

[SYT_Shadow]

There are a few factors at play here and reading some responses, my faith in humanity continues to drop.

The first one is that, surprise surprise, inflation is a real thing! 56000 for a E46 M3 in 2004 is 91000 today!

Another is that the E46 M3 did not have a single special option that was expensive. This gives us all several options
1) Act like children and say 'fully loaded' on both models, but include a bunch of options like CCBs, or CF seats on only one of the two models. Then complain when the second one is more expensive
2) Act like slightly more intelligent beings and acknowledge that a comparable G8X is literally cheaper when accounting for inflation -which is the only financially literate thing to do- than the E46, yet has drastically more performance, and be thankful

I really wonder how adults still don't know that inflation is real, and also how someone can 'fully load' something with a bunch of exotic options and expect it to cost the same as an ancient car that had none of those options.

Guess what, we will get to the point where a base 330i is going to cost over $100k, it's called INFLATION

[23109VC]

Originally Posted by skyline408

Man, you gone out to eat recently? For my family of four, 2 adults and 2 kids, dinner out is easily $90+.

Everything has gone up!

or check your grocery bill….. i just went to Costco yesterday… ouch! If you want to buy some prime ribeyes you may need to talk to the finance deparment at costco….

$2400 for a lease is crazy. That’s mortgage payment territory…. At least for some people….

[White340]

Originally Posted by SYT_Shadow

Guess what, we will get to the point where a base 330i is going to cost over $100k, it's called INFLATION

It’ll be called the 350i by then. Remember the 320, 323, 325 and 328? With inflation today it’s the 330.

[///M TOWN]

Originally Posted by skyline408

Man, you gone out to eat recently? For my family of four, 2 adults and 2 kids, dinner out is easily $90+.

Everything has gone up!

You’re absolutely 💯 right

And service has gone to shit and the new entitlement generation think they deserve big tips with little to nothing in return

That’s exactly why we now have a house full of chefs, because we’re over it

That said I hope BMW enjoys these money making glory days, because nothing lasts forever

[ErikJ1]

At this point..I may just spec out a nice M340i X and be done with this 6 figure bs..

[harperium]

Originally Posted by ErikJ1

At this point..I may just spec out a nice M340i X and be done with this 6 figure bs..

yeah, every now and then I spec out a cheap 330i, and then I realize I can't live with those red M buttons...

[Burn-N-AZ]

Originally Posted by ///M TOWN

You’re absolutely 💯 right

And service has gone to shit and the new entitlement generation thinks they deserve big tips with little in return

That’s exactly why we now have a house full of chefs, because we’re over it

That said I hope BMW enjoys these money making glory days, because nothing lasts forever

Once AI and full automation replace not only the factory workers, the designers, engineers, and bean counters too. There will be one CEO… 500 I.T. Specialists…and that’s your org chart, lol.

[Burn-N-AZ]

The “dream end game” is the M5 daily and a 911 GTS coupe toy.

The “dream now” may be the M3C daily and a Supra coupe toy.

[Audio Fan]

Originally Posted by SYT_Shadow

There are a few factors at play here and reading some responses, my faith in humanity continues to drop.

The first one is that, surprise surprise, inflation is a real thing! 56000 for a E46 M3 in 2004 is 91000 today!

Another is that the E46 M3 did not have a single special option that was expensive. This gives us all several options
1) Act like children and say 'fully loaded' on both models, but include a bunch of options like CCBs, or CF seats on only one of the two models. Then complain when the second one is more expensive
2) Act like slightly more intelligent beings and acknowledge that a comparable G8X is literally cheaper when accounting for inflation -which is the only financially literate thing to do- than the E46, yet has drastically more performance, and be thankful

I really wonder how adults still don't know that inflation is real, and also how someone can 'fully load' something with a bunch of exotic options and expect it to cost the same as an ancient car that had none of those options.

Guess what, we will get to the point where a base 330i is going to cost over $100k, it's called INFLATION

Inflation is crazy, but the E46 compares more directly to the M2 these days.

[2SG5]

Originally Posted by SYT_Shadow

I really wonder how adults still don't know that inflation is real, and also how someone can 'fully load' something with a bunch of exotic options and expect it to cost the same as an ancient car that had none of those options.

Guess what, we will get to the point where a base 330i is going to cost over $100k, it's called INFLATION

Thank you for the financial literacy lesson. I had no idea such a concept existed!

[Equilibrandt]

Does this confirm that the US isn't getting the Summer 2023 Frozen Pure Grey and Frozen Portimao that was mentioned in a press release a bit back?

https://www.press.bmwgroup.com/globa...or-summer-2023

"The introduction of new exterior colours for current BMW models gives customers additional scope for individualising the exterior of their car. The BMW Individual paint finishes Frozen Pure Grey metallic and Frozen Portimao Blue metallic will be available for the BMW 3 Series Sedan, BMW 2 Series Coupé and high-performance BMW M2 (fuel consumption, combined: 9.8 – 9.6 litres/100 km [28.8 – 29.4 mpg imp]; CO2 emissions, combined: 222 – 218 g/km in the WLTP cycle) from July 2023."

Bummer if so. It's already live in the German and Austrian configurators.

[Ervin87]

Well, at least it is still cheaper than a used one …. 😂

[Quadruple VANOS]

Nobody should be surprised by a $3k retail price increase when 15 minutes ago the dealer “market adjustment” proved people will spend way more than last year’s MSRP.

[Remonster]

Originally Posted by vj123

MSRP hike is around 10% within the last 2 years and below is the summary using G80c as an example:

MY21 - 72,800 (MY introduction)
MY22 - 72,800 (MY introduction)
MY22 - 73,000 (Mid MY increase)
MY23 - 76,700 (MY introduction)
MY23 - 78,600 (Mid MY increase)
MY24 - 80,200 (MY introduction)

Sounds crazy but it's right in line with inflation. Factoring in the actual value of a US dollar now vs. end of 2020 / beginning of 2021, it's actually significantly cheaper now.

[CMW33]

Originally Posted by Equilibrandt

Does this confirm that the US isn't getting the Summer 2023 Frozen Pure Grey and Frozen Portimao that was mentioned in a press release a bit back?

https://www.press.bmwgroup.com/globa...or-summer-2023

"The introduction of new exterior colours for current BMW models gives customers additional scope for individualising the exterior of their car. The BMW Individual paint finishes Frozen Pure Grey metallic and Frozen Portimao Blue metallic will be available for the BMW 3 Series Sedan, BMW 2 Series Coupé and high-performance BMW M2 (fuel consumption, combined: 9.8 – 9.6 litres/100 km [28.8 – 29.4 mpg imp]; CO2 emissions, combined: 222 – 218 g/km in the WLTP cycle) from July 2023."

Bummer if so. It's already live in the German and Austrian configurators.

Frozen Portimao Blue has been available on G8x since 2021 and Frozen Pure Grey II has been available since 2022. The press release is just saying these colors are being rolled out to other models starting in July 2023.

['Cane]

Originally Posted by banshee350

Tried again, still not showing the option for me. What rate is it showing out of curiosity?

It doesn’t show the rate, but it’s likely the same as the regular finance rate.

['Cane]

Originally Posted by m3wannab

Looks like they might be saving the HP bump for the MY2025 refresh, too bad.

That was always the plan, part of the LCI.

[banshee350]

Originally Posted by 'Cane

It doesn’t show the rate, but it’s likely the same as the regular finance rate.

Mine shows completely diff numbers.

[ErikJ1]

What is this "Select " option??? I googled it but does anyone have boots on the ground experience with it?

[chicagofan00]

Originally Posted by ErikJ1

What is this "Select " option??? I googled it but does anyone have boots on the ground experience with it?

Select is similar to financing for the first 60 months, then at the end of the 5 year initial loan term you have a predetermined balloon payment to make. You can either A) pay off the balloon in one lump sum, B) finance the balloon payment to whatever terms/rates are available at the time, or C) trade the car in/sell and ensure you get enough to at least cover the balloon payment.

I did select financing on my M3 back in November of 2021. My balloon payment at the end of the initial loan term is set for just a little over $37k.

[geko29]

One way of thinking about Select is it's a finance (purchase) option that is structured to look like a lease. You have lower monthly payments over the initial term like a lease, because you are only paying off a portion of the purchase price. At the end of the initial term, you still owe the "residual", which is the balloon payment.

At that point, like chicagofan00 said, you can either pay it off and keep the car, refinance the balloon amount, or sell the car and use the proceeds to (hopefully) pay off the balloon, making up the difference in cash if necessary, or pocketing it if you come out ahead. There is no predetermined "turn in" like with a lease.