[MNoob]

Just another thought on C&D times. I'm pretty sure they correct for ideal conditions. A car might run (make up numbers) 3.0, but then they estimate/calculate what that time would be under ideal temp, pressure, humidity, etc. That corrected time is what they publish (like 2.7. Then 2.4 with rollout). They explain this, or at least use to, in the fine print of their instrumented tests. They also post what the "ideal conditions" are that they correct for. That means the C&D times are best case theoretical.

I've also heard/read from tuners that this doesn't really correlate to how modern turbo engines are managed. Something about the ECU does some correction based on conditions, so applying additional correction could be bogus.

Any way, regardless, the car is crazy fast.

Edit. Found the fine print:

"All of our straight-line acceleration results are the average of the best run in opposite directions, to account for wind. Ambient weather conditions—we record absolute barometric pressure and wet- and dry-bulb temperatures trackside—determine how much power an engine makes. Because of that, we also correct acceleration results to 60 degrees Fahrenheit at sea level. Cooler air is denser and contains more oxygen, allowing the engine to burn more fuel and make more power. Similarly, high barometric pressure produces more power than low pressure, and dry air has more oxygen than moist air. All of our standing-start acceleration times also include rollout, a short period of time (typically about 0.3 second) that we subtract from the acceleration figures. It's a phenomenon that stems from the physics of the timing lights at a drag strip, where a car can be rolling for 12 inches or more before the clock starts. We recently changed our procedure to now use the industry standard 1-foot rollout."

[dezzracer]

Originally Posted by true_grit

Yes but can you scare yourself with AWD the same way you can with RWD……we all could use a little fear in our daily I think to keep the lizard brain engaged.

Yea. I scared myself the first time I tried launch control with my M3 CS right after break in. Rear wheels lit up, car quickly threw itself sideways into the next lane, but I stayed in it while correcting to my lane then I lifted ( out of fear) at exact same time the DCT was hammering 2nd gear thus making this horrendous clunk in the rear end. Sounded like somebody had hit it with a sledgehammer. Thought I had broke something for sure. Never used it again.

[limeypride]

Originally Posted by BEAR-AvHistory

Are the 100+ LC run guys getting a noticeable loss in performance?

Yes. Over a second on the 1/4 mile.

[limeypride]

Originally Posted by bloozemanAZ

I forgot that you hit it with the first M8C GC as well. But knew for sure on the F90. To your knowledge is it documented anywhere? Or just a hidden "feature" of the ZF transmission with LC?

I think somebody found it and posted the link. IIRC, it was X3M documentation but applicable nonetheless.

[Nikita44]

In the Z06, a supercharged 6.2-liter V-8 produces 650 horsepower and 650 pound-feet of torque, slashing 0-60 mph time to a blazing 2.95 seconds (3.2 with the manual gearbox).
And nurburgring 7:13
And launch control is under warranty as many times as you want to do it.

BUT, that being said, I'm considering an M4 xdrive because I'm struggling to have to leave the Z06 parked in the winter/cold months.... I've had numerous Vettes since 2004 and numerous X5's since 2001, just doing what every car guy does when he has a few minutes and thinking about "what's next?!"

[Bowser330]

Originally Posted by AKSteve

No, it's like taste testing 3 different types of oranges. They're the 3 main M cars and I think it would be a neat race. The Porsche 911 is a RADICALLY different car compared to an M3/4, but people compare them all of the time.

Radically different? Aren't they both German performance cars that both have twin turbo 3.0 liter 6cyl engines paired with automatics….?

[Bowser330]

Originally Posted by Nikita44

In the Z06, a supercharged 6.2-liter V-8 produces 650 horsepower and 650 pound-feet of torque, slashing 0-60 mph time to a blazing 2.95 seconds (3.2 with the manual gearbox).
And nurburgring 7:13
And launch control is under warranty as many times as you want to do it.

BUT, that being said, I'm considering an M4 xdrive because I'm struggling to have to leave the Z06 parked in the winter/cold months.... I've had numerous Vettes since 2004 and numerous X5's since 2001, just doing what every car guy does when he has a few minutes and thinking about "what's next?!"

But what about that upcoming c8 z06?

[Sedan_Clan]

Originally Posted by Bowser330

Radically different? Aren't they both German performance cars that both have twin turbo 3.0 liter 6cyl engines paired with automatics….?

You know what he meant. They are quite different in performance ability, cost and usability.

[Bowser330]

Originally Posted by Sedan_Clan

You know what he meant. They are quite different in performance ability, cost and usability.

How you liking the 992? Any chance you'd sell it? You'd be able to sell it for a profit with the used car market the way it is.

[Sedan_Clan]

Originally Posted by Bowser330

How you liking the 992? Any chance you'd sell it? You'd be able to sell it for a profit with the used car market the way it is.

I love it……..and I'm very impressed with/by it, but it does have its restrictions. Thankfully most of those restrictions are negated because it is not my only vehicle.

As for selling it….



….under only ONE condition: a 992 GT3 at MSRP (…which is a pipe dream of wishful thinking). I waited a year for this car; my allocation was from April 2021 when I sold my F82 and canceled my G8X allocation. I purchased my 992 C2S under MSRP in this crazy market due to a dealership connect. To own a 911 was a desire I've had ever since 2005-ish. No way would I sell this car for any other reason than a GT3 or a Sport Classic (…the latter being even more of a pipe dream than the former).

[AKSteve]

Originally Posted by Bowser330

Radically different? Aren't they both German performance cars that both have twin turbo 3.0 liter 6cyl engines paired with automatics….?

Well, the M3/4 has a inline 6 up front whereas the 911 has a flat six at the rear of the car. That alone is radically different. Besides that, the 911 was built to be a sports car from day one and has gone through decades of updates during its evolution to the present day car. The M3/4 is just the ultimate version of a parts bin car that's been paired with a bespoke engine. I love my M4, but it still isn't a 911, regardless of the 0-60 time.

EDIT: For the record, I currently own a 2020 911 C4S

[Nikita44]

Originally Posted by Bowser330

But what about that upcoming c8 z06?

i'm a rear wheel front engine fan, not that i dislike mid-engine, i just prefer front engine rear wheel or awd

The C8 Z06 is going to be a beast, no doubt about it.

[My M3]

It must be the colour that does it.

[Needsdecaf]

Who TF is bumping these super old threads?