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Originally Posted by Quadruple VANOS

It's purely a styling decision. Personally I'd rather have the floating look screen than have a gigantic hood around it for no reason. If you want relevance of this design you can find it in probably every TV and computer monitor on the market. Everyone floats their display panel.

That is only because those companies only sell you the TV unit or monitor unit, not also the house they come in.

And also because they hope to sell you a new one every few years.

So no relevance to the car use case.

[Wait What?]

Originally Posted by Quadruple VANOS

But would you pay an extra $20k for a M3 Touring over a similarly equipped X3M? Not enough Americans would.

For me the biggest advantage that an M3 Touring has versus an X is getting a car with a low center of gravity like a true M car (and unlike an X) and yet decent cargo space: to me, that would be the best of both worlds and something really exciting to drive. I'm drooling just at the idea.

[mockngbrd]

Originally Posted by DFTBA

- The Jeff Koons BMW M850i ​​is mehhhh, especially in the interior.

I hope it's not wrong I like the Jeff Koons 8er. I think it's funky and something fun. Though I can understand why many will hate it.





(Not like I can afford one though. :x )

[snareman]

Originally Posted by mockngbrd

I hope it's not wrong I like the Jeff Koons 8er. I think it's funky and something fun. Though I can understand why many will hate it.





(Not like I can afford one though. :x )

How much are they?

[mockngbrd]

Originally Posted by snareman

How much are they?

https://www.cnet.com/roadshow/news/j...es-gran-coupe/

This is a limited-run production car, of which 99 examples will be made. Want one? That'll be $350,995 including destination, which is more than three times the base price of a new M850i Gran Coupe.

[snareman]

Originally Posted by mockngbrd

https://www.cnet.com/roadshow/news/j...es-gran-coupe/

I wouldn't pay $150k for one, let alone $350k!

[FC05]

Thanks for sharing
About G81

I doubt it's got no sunroof as production car maybe you just looking at the prototype.

Want to know does it have those ugly curved screens or remain traditional dashboard?

Is the exterior LCI? Any different? New headlights or maybe new set of wheels? Probably not

[DFTBA]

Hi,

Sorry for lateish response. Tried to answer all questions, see below :

Originally Posted by lastsun61

Did the g81 have updated interior other than the ID8? Like new steering wheel or dash?

Also did they change the headlights too?

Steering wheel seemed to be the same than in the G80 and the dash was adapted to the ID8 obviously. I am not so sure ID8 will be standard, though as former prototypes showed ID7.

See e.g. https://cdn.bimmertoday.de/wp-conten...r-Kombi-04.jpg

Originally Posted by solstice

Very cool, thanks for sharing!

- Is the CSL splitter adjustable as in that it can be extracted and retracted?
- Did the CSL have the new racing buckets?
- Did they say if the CSL trunk floor is CF or other lightweight material ala the E46?
- Did they mention which of the two or both that is going to be revealed at Villa d’Este in 2–3w?

- Honestly, I really focussed on the M3, so I can’t tell you for sure. For what it’s worth, I can’t recall having seen any adjustment possibility.
- Seemed standard to me (not an expert, though). What I also recall is that the center arm rest was smaller than in the standard G82.
- They don’t say anything. You get 5 minutes in a room and try to take a look through dozens of people, that’s about it.
- See post below yours

Originally Posted by Ugly Kar

Yep, no way I buy a car with a long ipad as a dash. Nothing but cheap tacky cost cutting.

I remember the days when people were more than willing to pay $1k+ for navigation system integrated into the dash because it looked so much better than a $100 Garmin stuck on the dash.

I dislike the graphic layout, the dash as such is OKish assuming it comes as standard. For my F97 LCI (on order) I would also prefer the pre-LCI dash but you can’t have it all.

Originally Posted by mockngbrd

I hope it's not wrong I like the Jeff Koons 8er. I think it's funky and something fun. Though I can understand why many will hate it.





(Not like I can afford one though. :x )

I think the exterior is fine, I really do ! But the interior colour mix (red/blue/brown) is simply not nice to remain polite.

Originally Posted by FC05

Thanks for sharing
About G81

I doubt it's got no sunroof as production car maybe you just looking at the prototype.

Want to know does it have those ugly curved screens or remain traditional dashboard?

Is the exterior LCI? Any different? New headlights or maybe new set of wheels? Probably not

- I assume it was the prototype thing and that i twill probably get a sun roof, too. I don’t know for CF roof and don’t know for other markets, but here in Europe you can have the e.g. m340 G20 with CF but not the G21 m340.
- « Ugly screen » for the one I’ve seen (ID8)
- Couldn’t detect any noticeable difference. Had black 826M, and what looked to me like normal G80 laser lights.

[karlkir5]

I was really hoping for the ID.7 interior. DFTBA Does it look like the i4 dashboard?

The only hope is that it will have a trailer hitch possibility. If not then I will be looking for a used xDrive M3 and retrofitting the trailer hitch from G2x.

[DFTBA]

Hi,

yes, like I4.

Trailer hitch would make sense given target group, competitors (RS4, etc.), and other M models with hitch option from factory and a comparable target group (E.g. M5).

Has the G80 actually got the same drive train than the x3m? Asking as afaik there is no trailer option for the G80 and the F97 one potentially fits. Otherwise, I am confident that some 3rd parties like Rameder or so will offer a suitable product.

[robopp]

Originally Posted by DFTBA

Hi,

yes, like I4.

Trailer hitch would make sense given target group, competitors (RS4, etc.), and other M models with hitch option from factory and a comparable target group (E.g. M5).

Has the G80 actually got the same drive train than the x3m? Asking as afaik there is no trailer option for the G80 and the F97 one potentially fits. Otherwise, I am confident that some 3rd parties like Rameder or so will offer a suitable product.

G80 xdrive has same drivetrain as the X3M, which got it from the M5. Lots of people have put hitches on and I'd venture to guess there's no factory build option because, well, BMW.

[PLF69]

I don't see why the M3 LCI couldn't be offered with or without iDrive8, like the M240i you can have analog gauges or pay a 1k option for the digital cockpit (at least here in Canada) Same option on some 3 series too.

I highly doubt BMW will be offering iDrive8 from the start in All 3 series trims. They can easily install one of the two dash models at the factory.

[JoeyBananaz18]

I'm done wasting my breath and praying for this car. If they don't want us to have it, then so be it. Not looking for an x3m or any other SUV. I want a WAGON. Not settling for anything else. It definitely doesn't have to be a BMW tho. So I have no problem looking elsewhere. And truth be told, anyone who is as serious about a long roof as I am, I'd encourage you to do the same.

I'm seeing panamera cross turismos as low as what I'd assume these would end up costing, of course not in the same in terms of performance (4/4s, not GTS/Turbo) but a nice compromise.

E63s and RS6s are a bit (ok, a bit more than a bit lol) out of my desired price range at the moment. I will definitely keep an eye out for an RS6 as the world continues to recover. I can see myself going cpo.

Volvo v90 r-design and jag xf sportbrakes are where I'm concentrating most of my attention. I was very close to puking the trigger a few weeks ago on a jag but the mileage was a tad higher than I like. I sat on it for a couple of days and when I called the dealer back to make an offer it had just sold the night before. T6 R-designs look and drive great. A twincharged engine is something I'd have to think about owning long term.

I'm keeping an eye out for decent f31s and a4 allroad but they're a bit smaller than what I'm imagining.

Also for those looking to go electric Audi had the etron avant concept that came out a few months ago and it looks drop dead gorgeous. There are options out there. Best we just accept reality, move on and let Munich decide what they want to do- that's really the only was to institute change- with your wallet.

[3002 tii]

Originally Posted by NorCalAthlete

Know what's great about having a screen integrated into the dash? Less sun reflection off of it so it's easier to see / read at all times.

I can't stand the floating ipad look and it's one of the significant factors that turned me off to Mercedes when I was cross shopping. I liked BMW's at-least-partial-integration on the current G2x / G8x interiors.

I can't understate how much I loathe the trend towards "touchscreen ALL the controls" too. What happened to the driver-centric ethos? What happened to letting you focus more on the road, and not whether you're about to turn up the volume or the temperature or open the navigation screen by accident? Let alone when it's bumpy and you're trying to do something.

Voice controls aren't at the point yet where they're flawless enough to completely replace everything, and they're annoying to use for minor things that would take half as long to hit a couple buttons. Then there's the times when other people are in the car and you're trying to input something - I can't count how many times I've gotten annoyed because I try to input a voice command for a destination and as soon as I'm done talking, someone else starts the conversation back up and the car gets confused and I have to start over.

Fuck. All. That.

Imagine it comes down to cost and serviceability. Having it modular helps on both fronts. I agree I am not a fan of touch screen. Finger prints, finicky sensitivity to pressure, takes focus away from road, etc.

[PLF69]

I just want a wagon I can take to the track with reasonable consumables. (Scared of Panamera GTS tires and brakes)

M3 Touring would be perfection.

[aaaaah]

Originally Posted by NorCalAthlete

Know what's great about having a screen integrated into the dash? Less sun reflection off of it so it's easier to see / read at all times.

I can't stand the floating ipad look and it's one of the significant factors that turned me off to Mercedes when I was cross shopping. I liked BMW's at-least-partial-integration on the current G2x / G8x interiors.

I can't understate how much I loathe the trend towards "touchscreen ALL the controls" too. What happened to the driver-centric ethos? What happened to letting you focus more on the road, and not whether you're about to turn up the volume or the temperature or open the navigation screen by accident? Let alone when it's bumpy and you're trying to do something.

Voice controls aren't at the point yet where they're flawless enough to completely replace everything, and they're annoying to use for minor things that would take half as long to hit a couple buttons. Then there's the times when other people are in the car and you're trying to input something - I can't count how many times I've gotten annoyed because I try to input a voice command for a destination and as soon as I'm done talking, someone else starts the conversation back up and the car gets confused and I have to start over.

Fuck. All. That.

This is the same BMW that is stripping the manual transmission out of most of its models (M340i, M240i I'm looking at you). There is even a solid rumour that the new M2 will only be a manual in the US, despite good takeup in other countries around the world.

The reason many companies are going for the floating display look is that customers are expecting larger screens in their cars and to integrate it would make the dashboard be extremely bulky. Just be happy there isn't a massive, portrait touch screen or a waterfall of screens all the way down the centre stack.

I hate the iphones in the doors of the new 7 too. People think they are luxurious but a high quality, tactile, mechatronic switch will always be more satisfying to use and feel more expensive.

[vj123]

Originally Posted by aaaaah

The reason many companies are going for the floating display look is that customers are expecting larger screens in their cars and to integrate it would make the dashboard be extremely bulky.

I hope the below report comes true.

Head of BMW i Interior Design Matthias Junghanns had plenty to say on the matter. "Is it the big screen that counts? I'm personally convinced that these black glass surfaces in the car interiors are... we will leave that behind, sooner or later," said Junghanns.

https://www.thedrive.com/news/bmw-po...on-the-way-out

[NorCalAthlete]

Originally Posted by vj123

I hope the below report comes true.



https://www.thedrive.com/news/bmw-po...on-the-way-out

God I hope so.

IMO they could keep the current size while sliding it down the center stack a bit and integrating it better and that would be perfect.

The advancements of the HUD mean even when using navigation I'm rarely looking at the gauge cluster or infotainment screen anyway - I absolutely love having the turn by turn, lane change prompts, etc in the HUD next to my speed, and those are really the key items you need to look at while driving. I glance down to see what song is playing sometimes if I don't know it, or on occasion to zoom out and check something on the map, but it's currently more than sufficient in terms of size IMO.

I have zero desire to see a Tesla-esque ipad in the middle of the dash. I like BMWs because of the driving experience....not the passenger infotainment experience.

What's going to be interesting is to see if it develops into an infotainment split between trim levels in the same model. Dodge, Ford, etc have smaller screens for different packages and only the top tier "luxury" trims have the giant ipad screens. If it split into "sport" vs "luxury" and sport kept a more minimal screen while luxury trims got the bigger ultrawide, I'd opt for the sport every time.

[Hegge]

Will the M4 CSL have water injection like the GTS?

[PLF69]

Originally Posted by Hegge

Will the M4 CSL have water injection like the GTS?

No rumors, I'd say no 99.9%

[G30M]

So local dealer says I can get a build slot for this thing ... got a question though

Do you think it will debut as a base then later get a competition and then after a few years get a CS?

[lemetier]

Originally Posted by G80M4

So local dealer says I can get a build slot for this thing ... got a question though

Do you think it will debut as a base then later get a competition and then after a few years get a CS?

G81:

11GB - ECE - LHD - M3 M XDrive Competition Touring
12GB - ECE - RHD - M3 M XDrive Competition Touring

Thats it.