[IB M]

Originally Posted by cubsnlinux

I think the bigger roadblock for sales is not the grill. It is the onslaught of BEVs. A lot of casual enthusiasts and more importantly casual buyers aren't interested in the M3/M4 because ICE is on a downward curve from an automobile evolution perspective. Why drop high dollar on a technology that will depreciate faster than ever before? You can now get a Model S LR that is faster, around the same price point and that will depreciate much slower.

Good point - unless the batteries catch fire or fail prematurely.

[JustChris]

Originally Posted by robopp

41% of expected sales in the US, but let's design it for the Asian market? <shakes head>

Absolutely the first thing I thought too.

I've never really seen a regional chart like that. I was fully expecting to see this Asian powerhouse figure 70% and the ROW mopping up?

[GRUESOM3]

America just keeps printing money so of course they going to expect top sales here.

[BimmerVinyl]

Originally Posted by robopp

41% of expected sales in the US, but let's design it for the Asian market? <shakes head>

Stole the words right out of my mouth. Mind blowing.

[Ibiza]

Originally Posted by swagon

Well, they haven't really said anything new in this presentation, but I found these two slides to be pretty interesting:

I previously posted these 2 slides on March 4, 2021 in the 6MT G8x poll thread.

https://www.bimmerpost.com/forums/sh...php?p=27304982

[Ftpohyeah]

How does the biggest M market not get the M3 touring, at least we get the non comp M3/4 versions.

[solstice]

Originally Posted by Ftpohyeah

How does the biggest M market not get the M3 touring, at least we get the non comp M3/4 versions.

Because we aren’t a wagon market like Europe. Take rates here is in the toilet every time a Touring is available. I don’t blame them for not bringing it over on a bimmerpost poll.

[RyanBMW]

Originally Posted by robopp

41% of expected sales in the US, but let's design it for the Asian market? <shakes head>

And also no wagons for USA, what's is also up with that BS??

[Sublime00]

I would think the manual take rate would be higher. That's the biggest selling point of this car, IMO. Manual RWD for $70k.

For those that want this car in an automatic and aren't planning on tracking, why get an M3/M4 for $70/80k? So many other options available at that price point.

[Dog Face Pony Soldier]

Originally Posted by RyanBMW

And also no wagons for USA, what's is also up with that BS??

1. There's extremely-small opportunity for wagon sales in the US.

2. Industry ambitions are focused on BEVs.

[BimmerFix]

Originally Posted by Sublime00

I would think the manual take rate would be higher. That's the biggest selling point of this car, IMO. Manual RWD for $70k.

For those that want this car in an automatic and aren't planning on tracking, why get an M3/M4 for $70/80k? So many other options available at that price point.

M is the only & correct option at that price point.

Either that or you fork up for a P-Car.

Regardless of manual or auto.

No other vehicle gives you the performance, everyday drivability, & dual purpose ness of an M3/M4.

Just my opinion of course . Yes there's Vettes, Mustangs, Alfa Romeos, & C' AMG .

But overall package , I think BMW does it the best.

[bmwdrive]

Originally Posted by cubsnlinux

I think the bigger roadblock for sales is not the grill. It is the onslaught of BEVs. A lot of casual enthusiasts and more importantly casual buyers aren't interested in the M3/M4 because ICE is on a downward curve from an automobile evolution perspective. Why drop high dollar on a technology that will depreciate faster than ever before? You can now get a Model S LR that is faster, around the same price point and that will depreciate much slower.

I agree that BEVs are the bigger factor that will impact G8x sales.

But do not think for a second that a Tesla depreciates slower than a BMW. I learned that the hard way. A Model S depreciates exactly like any other luxury vehicle, and probably worse. If anything, the G8x will not depreciate as badly because it's the last of its kind.

[Tallest]

That moment when you find out American tastes is why the car looks the way it does. You guys have some soul searching to do now.

Originally Posted by xlover

It's a scape goat comment from ppl that can not accept the grill that it was designed for the Chinese market... it was not. large grills are alive and well in the US.

Take a look at the pickup trucks for example ... massive grills and they aren't even sold in Asia.

Large prominent front end design is a part of mainstream car market demand in North America. It's only the tiny shoe box of traditionalists that cannot accept it.

Exactly. The aggressive over the top grilles are for USA market. The fact that people get butthurt on this very forum when you say it looks ugly confirms this message - the car's design is meant for USA first and foremost, for the generation that gobbles up fast and furious films and has huge car tuner culture. Some small minority likes to have these wolf in sheep's clothing aka Europe approach, but even look at this forum - all the SoCal culture stanced cars, diffusors and lips, etc. I think BMW knows its market pretty well. It's just shocking to some people. Im also surprised this car is de facto US-special.

[AlexFL]

Originally Posted by Sublime00

For those that want this car in an automatic and aren't planning on tracking, why get an M3/M4 for $70/80k? So many other options available at that price point.

Many options for equally performing AWD four door sedans? I think so not...

[VetteGuy]

Originally Posted by RyanBMW

And also no wagons for USA, what's is also up with that BS??

Mostly because the USA is an SUV market and BMW builds those right here.

[Takumi587]

Why does everyone think the design was catered to Asia?

[Ghostriderf80]

Originally Posted by swagon

Well, they haven't really said anything new in this presentation, but I found these two slides to be pretty interesting:

Well 4% in Canada. Good prediction, Canadians may still wear bell bottoms and cowboy boots but they know cars that look good.

[MoeMuc]

Damn, all that mimimi in this Community is out of Control.

I am an absolute BMW Fanboy, but here is a List of BMW's wich I think are ugly AF:
Z1
E36 compact
E46 compact
E65 (both LCI and pre LCI)
E63 6 series
First Gen Z4
First gen X3 (don't even know the model code)
E90 (especially the pre LCI)
F3x/F8x (especially its low budget looking crappy interior, still love the f8x exterior)

They still have sold well and exceeded the predecessors sales with eas (if there was one and not valid for the e46 compact )


So let's stop pretending that BMW always made the most beautiful vehicles for everyone!
I love BMW for making charismatic cars mostly with outstanding performance (for their segment) and long and meaningful heritage.

At the end it's all a question of taste, I love the new M3 and M4 (among many others, you can ask them here on the G8x forum). Damn, If I wouldn't have ordered the M5C or without this COVID-19 pandemic, I would have been one of the 12% in Germany

[somberlaine]

Originally Posted by zamboni

BMW only target 20% of their customers and don't care about others, U.S had the highest market share and they simply don't really matter.

Bingo! US market is probably at its peak. Growth potential is in Asia

[swagon]

Originally Posted by Ibiza

I previously posted these 2 slides on March 4, 2021 in the 6MT G8x poll thread.

https://www.bimmerpost.com/forums/sh...php?p=27304982

Oh, sorry, didn't see that.

[swagon]

Originally Posted by M3AWD

... and this evolves into a grill discussion while nobody is bringing up the >60% expected take rate for M xDrive!

Pretty sad but very reflective of current market demand and on-going power wars between manufacturers.

Twin-turbo AWD with a slush-o-matic is what's selling.

[somberlaine]

41% of the M3 sedan and M4 coupe market and we can't have the M3 wagon. That's a shame.