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80's, 90's, 00's, etc: 3 Series were kick ass cars compared to Accords and Camries. People who actually liked driving cars preferred them because they were communicative and engaging. Today: 3 Series is interchangeable with Accord and Camry. Drive your toaster to work. Yawn. No one is in love with the older cars, specifically. It's the engagement, "driver's car" thing that's been lost. BMW is not trying any more. If you like their current cars now, you'd LOVE what the current cars could be like if they hadn't quit. |
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I'm going to comment on the grilles. From reading and observation, if the grilles were more acceptable to many of the enthusiasts, there wouldn't be half as much negativity to the brand. Many on the BMW forums say they are leaving the brand because of the looks, specifically due to the latest grilles. Sad that something that many buyers see as a fresh and modern look is causing such polarised reactions. |
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BTW, it wasn't only BMW that had 'engagement' back in the 70s and 80s, here in the UK. I ran a Triumph Dolomite Sprint which compared to the E21 320. Both provided driver involvement. |
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I think defining engagement is still the same. It can still be done with today's vehicles including EPS. BMW doesn't want to, they've said so. We used to wonder why they couldn't figure out how, then we learned they didn't want to. Sure it may be different than in the past, but they aren't even trying. This is the issue.
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Idk what to say. Enjoy the vehicles you drive? It's not this complex of an issue. If you like it, who cares? If you don't like it, who cares? Everyone is different.
This applies to any car, whether it be a BMW or Honda. Also lol to whoever thinks a BMW 3 series is interchangeable with a Honda Accord. Have you driven a Honda Accord? I have, it drives nothing like a modern BMW. A good car yes, but BMW 3 series good, nah. Sometimes I wonder how many of you have driven cars that aren't in the luxury or performance class. Go drive a modern Subaru with a CVT, see what you are missing. I have. I guarantee you, the BMW 3 series trounces it. |
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Being with the 5-series from the first generation E12, thought I'd simply pick at random a UK performance motor magazine and see how they describe the latest generation 5-series, the G30. From EVO article; "BMW 5-series review - is this the best saloon in the world?" "BMW's most complete 5-series ever, there are almost no compromises in this exceptional executive". From the preview... Ride and handling - Always a dynamic benchmark in the class, the G30 builds on the previous model’s talents, while continuing to improve on comfort and refinement. https://www.evo.co.uk/bmw/5-series Quote:
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Thankfully, committed to offering the manual gearbox through (or until) 2030.
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Not at all. My observation was spot on. It just bothers you. That’s OK. People can’t agree on everything. Does it bother you that you are considerably outnumbered worldwide on your opinion of the grille in question? I mean we are talking about record sales for this new G80/82 series. They are crushing it. So obviously, your opinion is the extreme minority on this. Unless, of course you’re one of those people who are going to accuse others of buying a very expensive car they secretly feel is ugly. You’re not going to do that are you?
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10-4. I most certainly wouldn’t. Just like I wouldn’t take a 1985 state of the art television over the same of today. It’s just no comparison. Technologies are not even close. Don’t get me wrong a brand new E28 would be bad ass to have but I certainly wouldn’t choose it over an F90. No way.
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Can we put the whole steering thing to bed. The reason BMW uses more powerful EPAS motors is because of safety nothing more. Jason Cammisa explains the tradeoffs here.
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In addition to the driving dynamics, many of us valued BMW’s form over function ergonomics and the fact that they didn’t follow all of the sheep over the shiny new tidbits cliff. As with BMW’s traditional (and at least somewhat iconic to them) amber dashboard lighting, BMW engineers paid attention to designing controls in a driver focused way. Of course, the fact is that began to change with the E90 and the loss of the dashboard curved toward the driver. I remember saying the first time I saw the E90 dashboard at the Dallas car show, “this looks like a Buick.” I accepted the new design and I loved my E90 330i, but the dashboard design was never as good as the dashboard in my two E46s. Thank God they left the iDrive controller alone. iDrive undoubtedly adds multiple layers of options to navigate through, but at least there’s a physical way to navigate it. It is virtually impossible to precisely and safely make choices and changes using a touchscreen you have to reach to touch while you’re engaged in driving.
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That could be a fair statement. I've driven them all more than once but never back to back. Aaaaaand may have stepped into the 330i (loaner) with a bias, I can admit. I'd like to think not but it's more than possible. I've always come away completely unimpressed (330i) but perhaps if I'd driven them back to back I would think differently.
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After that, it is just personal preference, which is entirely opinion. One man's trash is another man's treasure. |
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The cupholders in the E90 are like that because until the F25 X3 cupholders were an afterthought for BMW. Their opinion was “why does someone who’s driving a car need a cupholder?” European E9x’s didn’t have cupholders. There was a smooth trim piece in that space. Notice the cupholders in the E46. Right in front of the center armrest and behind the shifter. With a manual transmission, which was quite common, you couldn’t really shift and have a drink in the cupholder. They were in the same place in the E36, except they were an option and they were basically a retrofit to fit in a space that wasn’t designed for them. Cupholders were a concession to the U.S. market. Finally, with the F25 X3, BMW actually took cupholders into account as they designed the interior. They had BMWNA send over 7 Eleven Big Gulp cups to use in their designing. Edit: I did a little research. It appears E36 cupholders were not actually available from BMW. They were an aftermarket add-on and there was more than one style. None of them very good. E36 cupholder E46 cupholder
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I have two friends who lease two of them. They hate the grill but accpeted the car for different reasons, but none of them because they love it. In fact they are not even car people. Just users. and, if you are pretentious and really into cars, it is impossible not to see the cheap aproach that they have, from the monoblock screen, to the lack of providing a proper rear bulged door to match that rear fender on the M3. What an eyesore and crap that is!! I wouldn’t keep one for free! It makes me feel like Joe from the bodyshop did something to have me going until I buy my next car… |
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What a crap that screen is. And I want a car to drive not a cinema on wheels. |
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I do agree BMW could have integrated it more into the dashboard. That said, it is harder to integrate a horizontal screen instead of a vertical screen because logically the vertical screen can simply take over the entire center stack that was already designed to have something there. On the flip side, horizontal screens IMO make more sense for vehicles, in part because a vertical screen means you have to look down more, whereas a horizontal screen closer to the windshield helps the driver peripherally lose less sight of the road. |
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I never have thought the F3x steering was as bad as all the gnashing of teeth would lead one to believe. But, maybe that’s because I drove an E90 with active steering for eleven years. I remember when I first drove my E90 330i the steering felt odd for just a little while, but I got used to it very quickly.
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