[RugbyBro]

Originally Posted by solstice

As long as the question remain if the G8X is generally a better track day car or not the bickering will for sure go on. If it’s not it will never end which is good for traffic on this site

If it slaughter the F8X on the track though...well things should quite down a fair bit.

Oh it's for sure going to outpace F8X stock for stock, no question about it (as it should). So far it's been very impressive based on some initial acceleration figures and unofficial lap times. "Slaughter" may actually turn out to be a relevant characterization.

Where my personal disconnect stems from is with claims like a typical G8X is as fast or faster than an F82 GTS - which is a specialist track car that is miles ahead of the next closest F8X. I struggle to see it because the GTS (at a high level) has equal to better power to weight, aggressive alignment & optimized suspension, aggressive aero, and weighs less. I'm fully expecting the "CSL" or GTS equivalent to bust that wide open though.

[Transfer]

Originally Posted by marckwan

I love how the whole thread is trying to justify to themselves that 3900lbs on a M3 is "amazing", we all know that's terrible, its not "not that bad", its just bad. Im just gonna be honest with myself that I'm already disappointed the g8x is heavier than the predecessor. I love the looks of the car but the weight is just hard to swallow on a car with a mighty M3 badge.

I think you're misinterpreting amazing with acceptable. As many have said before if you're hoping for a car that is in the tradition of an M3 from the past, this is not your M3 any more. This is the new M5 and the M2 is the new M3.

[solstice]

Originally Posted by marckwan

I love how the whole thread is trying to justify to themselves that 3900lbs on a M3 is "amazing", we all know that's terrible, its not "not that bad", its just bad. Im just gonna be honest with myself that I'm already disappointed the g8x is heavier than the predecessor. I love the looks of the car but the weight is just hard to swallow on a car with a mighty M3 badge.

With that attitude we would all still be driving E30s. Time changes and weight gain is a universal part of that. Still drive an E30 back to back with a G82 and then freely choose one of them as your daily plus weekend fun car and tell me it’s the E30...

And for this generational step, a 200 lbs additional weight on a 3600 lbs car will not suddenly move it from a svelte race car to a bloated 7 series. If we’ll executed it doesn’t change a thing in terms of segment.

[RugbyBro]

Originally Posted by Jcali86

What's the F8x like against the Alfa?

https://www.topgear.com/car-news/new...a-quadrifoglio

Interestingly enough, CH on TG seemingly likes F8X > G8X and in his video on the Alfa, he said he would take it over F8X (which he also said was the best M3 ever made at the time). But TG is now publishing that G8X is better than the Alfa. Makes your head spin haha

It seems like the Alfa does something special, however, I'm out of the loop on it as I haven't driven one yet. I'm more interested in driving G8X so I can fully formulate my opinion on it and either confirm my expectations or be pleasantly surprised

[Jcali86]

Originally Posted by RugbyBro

Interestingly enough, CH on TG seemingly likes F8X > G8X and in his video on the Alfa, he said he would take it over F8X (which he also said was the best M3 ever made at the time). But TG is now publishing that G8X is better than the Alfa. Makes your head spin haha

It seems like the Alfa does something special, however, I'm out of the loop on it as I haven't driven one yet. I'm more interested in driving G8X so I can fully formulate my opinion on it and either confirm my expectations or be pleasantly surprised

I think it's obviously just the specific reviewers perspective, I never care too much as it's just some dudes subjective opinion, I'm more interested in the distance he says it pulls on the Alfa, as it's no slouch!

[Dr.Deep]

Originally Posted by Scorp!on

Best thing is:
not even 10% will track this car to actually have the interest in having low weight.

It's ridicolous this discussion...this car weighs a lot yes, but damn it gives you also a lot !!

jesus christ not even our engineers in the F1 Team are so pathetic as most here about weight. save here save there...first loose some weight yourself, usually thats the biggest potential to save weight in the car
and that includes my fat ass

Fully agree, sometimes I feel like I'm in a professional racing bike forum, they are that crazy about even 5-10g weight reduction


Btw: I somehow remembered you work for Alfa, but not exactly.... now I know

You have to organize some factory visit or so if anyhow possible...I'm a huge F1 freak

But we can discuss this when we meet for M3/M4 checkouts

[RugbyBro]

Originally Posted by Jcali86

I think it's obviously just the specific reviewers perspective, I never care too much as it's just some dudes subjective opinion, I'm more interested in the distance he says it pulls on the Alfa, as it's no slouch!

Oh most definitely, G8X should be crushing the Alfa in metrics. Where the Alfa is consistently beating F8X and seemingly G8X (based on a limited amount of comparisons so far, but too early to tell) is in "feel".

I will say that I am more and more starting to resonate with the concept of "feel" over objective performance. Case in point is that I think even F8X's performance limits are far outside the bounds of usability on the street, I have no doubt that G8X will suffer from this issue as well but will be less compromising about its edges and generally better to live with... although you can only get so comfortable when the rear subframe is bolted directly to the chassis.

[DenverBMW]

Everyone is talking about the weight and i'm just like: what happened to the windshield??????

[jkap27]

Originally Posted by RugbyBro

Interestingly enough, CH on TG seemingly likes F8X > G8X and in his video on the Alfa, he said he would take it over F8X (which he also said was the best M3 ever made at the time). But TG is now publishing that G8X is better than the Alfa. Makes your head spin haha

It seems like the Alfa does something special, however, I'm out of the loop on it as I haven't driven one yet. I'm more interested in driving G8X so I can fully formulate my opinion on it and either confirm my expectations or be pleasantly surprised

I dont think he wrote the Top Gear M3 review I think that was someone else. they probably have multiple people drive the car and get insight from the group to formulate the review. 'Chris Harris drives' is just a separate segment. Just a guess though as no author is listed on the print review. The Alfa is tremendous its just one of the most unreliable cars in recent memory and I would be absolutely terrified buying one so it isnt even an option for me. As far as drivers cars go though if you get lucky on the mechanical issues front its the best that you can do. Pretty cheap feeling interior though if that sort of thing matters to you.

[m20e3087]

Impressive! Last month I was at my local BMW with my wife's car, and was talking to the sales guy about the new M3 first thing he said was "you do know it gained 500lb over F80". Lol.

[///Mcarfan]

This is hilarious.
It's not as bad as we thought! Success!! Did BMW lower your expectation this much so that anything better than crap is now considered good?

No, it's still measurably heavier and front biased, which is a fail any way you look at it.

Zealots just be happy you're buying a huge ugly heavy car and be content about it.

[Jcali86]

Originally Posted by ///Mcarfan

This is hilarious.
It's not as bad as we thought! Success!!

No, it's still measurably heavier and front biased, which is a fail any way you look at it.
Just be happy you're buying a huge ugly heavy car and be content about it.

Couldn't be happier!

[jkap27]

Originally Posted by Jcali86

I think it's obviously just the specific reviewers perspective, I never care too much as it's just some dudes subjective opinion, I'm more interested in the distance he says it pulls on the Alfa, as it's no slouch!

Right...ive actually seen Chris Harris say hes one of the few auto journalists that liked those early F8Xs so i think hes more suited to the wild and raw driving experience. Ill have to check if he did a C8 corvette video because they went through a similar change where the driving experience was much more composed than prior gens.

[spuntyb]

Originally Posted by DenverBMW

Everyone is talking about the weight and i'm just like: what happened to the windshield??????

I had to do a double take too!

[jkap27]

Originally Posted by ///Mcarfan

This is hilarious.
It's not as bad as we thought! Success!! Did BMW lower your expectation this much so that anything better than crap is now considered good?

No, it's still measurably heavier and front biased, which is a fail any way you look at it.

Zealots just be happy you're buying a huge ugly heavy car and be content about it.

oh nooo the weight bias shifted 1% because of the wider front track and engine bracing thats leading to auto journalists everywhere absolutely raving about the grip...everyone cancel your orders this sounds horrible. Lets all go out and get 3900 lb C63s or 3850lb rs5 sportbacks or 3822 lb Giulia QFs or 4000+lb model 3 performances instead thatll teach bmw not to increase the weight of their cars!

[TheStanman]

Originally Posted by Scorp!on

Best thing is:
not even 10% will track this car to actually have the interest in having low weight.

It's ridicolous this discussion...this car weighs a lot yes, but damn it gives you also a lot !!

Weight has a significant impact on how much I enjoy driving a car on the street. Drive an M5 and M3 back-to-back and the difference is readily apparent.

My weight concern came from BMW using less lightweight materials to cut costs. In general the G8X has seen significant cost reduction, with lost of DCT as another example. But first drive reviews suggest the engineers were able to create a great product even with those constraints.

[Studntloan]

Originally Posted by CanAutM3

Is this with a driver or ballast in the car?

No driver, not sure what a ballast is? but was just the car

[Scorp!on]

Originally Posted by Dr.Deep

Fully agree, sometimes I feel like I'm in a professional racing bike forum, they are that crazy about even 5-10g weight reduction


Btw: I somehow remembered you work for Alfa, but not exactly.... now I know

You have to organize some factory visit or so if anyhow possible...I'm a huge F1 freak

But we can discuss this when we meet for M3/M4 checkouts

true that

haha yes exactly ! so am I, main reason why I applied like 25 times for a job here, finally got it last year :P only have to wait until I finally can go trackside

sure we can discuss then ! by the way, shouldn't your car arrive soon?

[M2Cmtl]

Originally Posted by M-Pilot

BMW USA is pretty accurate with their curb weight numbers. My 2019 M2C 6MT weighed 3563lbs with full tank while the number on their website was 3600lbs.

so 150-200 lbs over an M2C for the M3 6MT. Considering how much bigger the cars is and the amount of tech, that's really impressive.

[scoale]

Originally Posted by RugbyBro

Interestingly enough, CH on TG seemingly likes F8X > G8X and in his video on the Alfa, he said he would take it over F8X (which he also said was the best M3 ever made at the time). But TG is now publishing that G8X is better than the Alfa. Makes your head spin haha

Read the review comments. Many agree with you and called the reviewer on it...and the reviewer responded.

[Ikester19]

Originally Posted by solstice

With that attitude we would all still be driving E30s. Time changes and weight gain is a universal part of that. Still drive an E30 back to back with a G82 and then freely choose one of them as your daily plus weekend fun car and tell me it's the E30...

And for this generational step, a 200 lbs additional weight on a 3600 lbs car will not suddenly move it from a svelte race car to a bloated 7 series. If we'll executed it doesn't change a thing in terms of segment.

Agreed. Fact of the matter is even though the G80 is slightly heavier than the F80 it drives like a much 'lighter' and agile car due to its far superior chassis stiffness and bracing.

[Dr.Deep]

Originally Posted by Scorp!on

true that

haha yes exactly ! so am I, main reason why I applied like 25 times for a job here, finally got it last year :P only have to wait until I finally can go trackside

sure we can discuss then ! by the way, shouldn't your car arrive soon?

Very cool, have to talk about it a bit then

Yep, but I have no other update from dealer since the last around 10days ago that it should still arrive in March...so as I have not heard anything of a delay from him yet, I expect a call in the next two weeks that it arrived hopefully...