[Mako]

Originally Posted by AlexFL

I bet with you guys that the new V4-hybrid C63s will be around 4200-4300 lbs.

Doubtful

I am guessing those will be closer to 4500, batteries are heavy as %#*%

AWD adds about 150 lbs, so it should still be under 4,000 which is amazing Considering the size and power it offers plus all the tech.

People need to realize ALL cars get bigger heavier, safety standards and tech are to thank for that. This isn't just BMW.

If you want smaller buy a M2, simple. Don't expect 500hp and 180" car at 3400 lbs unless you want to spend $175,000 on a Porsche.

Just saying for the haters out there, show me a lighter 4 door with this performance at under $100,000

[flanast]

Originally Posted by solstice

Nice and thanks for sharing!

Way off an M5, more bad news for the haters. When it rains it pours.
Note: 47/53 weight distribution. A shift forward of ~1% vs F8X I believe.

The baby M5

[solstice]

Originally Posted by flanast

The baby M5

Lol.

[flanast]

Originally Posted by solstice

Lol.

And nothing wrong with that at all

[solstice]

Originally Posted by flanast

And nothing wrong with that at all

Still funny

If it wasn’t just a funny, look at me I ignored everything here and let’s start over you got a point.
There’s no longer a sharp border between the M cars. The M2 is an M2 and an M3, the M3 is an M3 and an M5, the M5 is an M5 and an M7. All cars has much larger range of utility and capabilities. For those who want the more single model scope there’s the CS cars.

[RugbyBro]

Originally Posted by Jcali86

Agreed. Why are we becoming G8X vs F/EXX? We should be M performance fans. Mercedes are making a hybrid AMG and I've no doubt Audi are as well; this is going to the the lightest car in its class and the only one, minus the Caddy (but who's buying one of those?!), with an ICE and a stick shift; if you're so inclined. But we're hating amongst ourselves?
I also truly believe BMW have a light weight option on the horizon with light body parts and features for those who want a real stripper version with an S58! Yeah it won't be cheap, but what is nowadays?

Yup, at the end of the day we're arguing over G8X Alpha Build vs F8X 2.0 - they're from the same stock regardless of exterior design choices. I think part of the polarization though is that all the positives can be negatives and negatives can be positives depending on what you want an M3/4 to be - hence why the conversation hasn't died down. Judging by how some think things like "E46 was the last 'real' M3", I don't think it'll ever fully die down. I'll always have my opinions on the car (but really more so BMW in this era, G8X isn't the root), but I'm just accepting it for what it is. We can still help each other out and have rational discourse.

[WWM3]

Originally Posted by CanAutM3

Important point, the car in the OP is only filled with ~1/8 fuel. So with a full tank it would weigh ~3,850. Not really "below 3,800lb"

M340i tested by C&D are at 3,813~3,827lb

Exactly. And not lighter than a RWD M340i either.

[PeregrineFalcon]

Originally Posted by AlexFL

You already know that it WILL bring you back to ///M because both the performance and the price will be just fine

Regarding performance, it seems that it is destroying the competition

https://www.topgear.com/car-news/new...a-quadrifoglio

[solstice]

Originally Posted by RugbyBro

Yup, at the end of the day we're arguing over G8X Alpha Build vs F8X 2.0 - they're from the same stock regardless of exterior design choices. I think part of the polarization though is that all the positives can be negatives and negatives can be positives depending on what you want an M3/4 to be - hence why the conversation hasn't died down. Judging by how some think things like "E46 was the last 'real' M3", I don't think it'll ever fully die down. I'll always have my opinions on the car (but really more so BMW in this era, G8X isn't the root), but I'm just accepting it for what it is. We can still help each other out and have rational discourse.

As long as the question remain if the G8X is generally a better track day car or not the bickering will for sure go on. If it’s not it will never end which is good for traffic on this site

If it slaughter the F8X on the track though...well things should quite down a fair bit.

[Longboarder]

The hate comes from looking at the front end. Not the weight. So lets not pound our chest.

[slicer]

Originally Posted by solstice

Nice and thanks for sharing!

Way off an M5, more bad news for the haters. When it rains it pours.
Note: 47/53 weight distribution. A shift forward of ~1% vs F8X I believe.

The scales are not on levelers, the weight distribution shown is somewhat meaningless without that. The scales need to be all at the same height in order to have accurate measurements.

[Jcali86]

Originally Posted by solstice

As long as the question remain if the G8X is generally a better track day car or not the bickering will for sure go on. If it's not it will never end which is good for traffic on this site

If it slaughter the F8X on the track though...well things should quite down a fair bit.

What's the F8x like against the Alfa?

https://www.topgear.com/car-news/new...a-quadrifoglio

[solstice]

Originally Posted by PeregrineFalcon

Regarding performance, it seems that it is destroying the competition

https://www.topgear.com/car-news/new...a-quadrifoglio

“ The BMW M3 has moved the game on a bigger step than at any time since E36 became E46”

Big words when the E36 has been generally been regarded at the bottom and the E46 on the top M3 ranking. Man, is it really this good as reviews make it out to be? Hard to believe but very exciting.

[frankiebones]

3,700 ish with CF bucket seats and a 6MT (the way Manly Men order a car). Not great, not terrible. MUCH better than a lot of us expected when we put our orders in.

[Gdiddy23]

People keep blaming the car manufacturers for the weight gain but often overlook the fact that most Americans are obese and need more space compared to comfortably fit in these vehicles compared to even 10-15 years ago.

Yes some is due to safety regulations etc becoming more advanced but still

[Scorp!on]

Originally Posted by Jcali86

What's the F8x like against the Alfa?

https://www.topgear.com/car-news/new...a-quadrifoglio

nice article, for both actually !

Just one thing bothers me from BMW:
Presscars all have the Michelin Tyres on, and as I see most costumer here on the board get the Pirelli's.
God I can't stand Pirelli....

[solstice]

Originally Posted by Scorp!on

nice article, for both actually !

Just one thing bothers me from BMW:
Presscars all have the Michelin Tyres on, and as I see most costumer here on the board get the Pirelli's.
God I can't stand Pirelli....

You and me both
I won the lottery with my F80 but have also lost it with Contis in the past, man they were hateful tires and Pirellis is one step down from there IMO.

[flanast]

Originally Posted by solstice

Still funny

If it wasn't just a funny, look at me I ignored everything here and let's start over you got a point.
There's no longer a sharp border between the M cars. The M2 is an M2 and an M3, the M3 is an M3 and an M5, the M5 is an M5 and an M7. All cars has much larger range of utility and capabilities. For those who want the more single model scope there's the CS cars.

Yes I certainly don't have the time that you apparently do to study all the comments; but I'm glad I amused you.

But I disagree with your comment on the CS cars. Even those are not focused enough to compete with focused sports cars. Either you make an M car track focused (which I have for my M3 and M4) or buy a Porsche.

[JustChris]

Originally Posted by AlexFL

It's been one terrible week for the G80 deniers

Not really.

Still no U.K. manual so it's never happening for me.

[Transfer]

Originally Posted by Scorp!on

nice article, for both actually !

Just one thing bothers me from BMW:
Presscars all have the Michelin Tyres on, and as I see most costumer here on the board get the Pirelli's.
God I can't stand Pirelli....

They did that with X3M as well. Press cars all Michelin but the vast majority sold with Continentals attached. Booooo! Many of us dumped those for upsized PS4S.

[marckwan]

I love how the whole thread is trying to justify to themselves that 3900lbs on a M3 is "amazing", we all know that's terrible, its not "not that bad", its just bad. Im just gonna be honest with myself that I'm already disappointed the g8x is heavier than the predecessor. I love the looks of the car but the weight is just hard to swallow on a car with a mighty M3 badge.

[Scorp!on]

Originally Posted by marckwan

I love how the whole thread is trying to justify to themselves that 3900lbs on a M3 is "amazing", we all know that's terrible, its not "not that bad", its just bad. Im just gonna be honest with myself that I'm already disappointed the g8x is heavier than the predecessor. I love the looks of the car but the weight is just hard to swallow on a car with a mighty M3 badge.

Ok so you thought a new tech car which has grown in size and has to fulfill more security standards than the predecessor will be lighter for a reasonable price?

Sorry for the question:
In what fantasy world do you live ?