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It's a glorious car and proofs now to be even much better than I initially thought, when I saw the early specs: weight, transmission and lack of low down torque. But all of this seems secondary when you see how well sorted out this machine actually is.
On the other hand, I still can't comprehend the Dukec and Vanhooydonck arrogance in deliberately opting for a polarizing design. Certainly when they state things like: "only 20% endorses it, but that's ok" and "when you don't like it, you're conservative and change averted". When there is one party to blame for the frustrating discussions we keep on having here, it's BMW. And apparently they aimed for that. |
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So, you see, unique was made from a statement point of view by cutting corners not by really putting the effort. Imagine this car with special doors that will blend with that rear hip... let's take the hood line for example: it is a scar on the face of the vehicle. Some, still believe the Bullshit that is a "pedestrian thing" because that's what they are told. Yet, that is not true; it is about some costs and time in manufacturing process. All the other cars are subject to the same rules, yet they stick with their design. Right in the same class, same brand, the new M340 manages to come with nice grills, nice headlamps and guess what? Without a scar on the face. Hence, that's why I bought it. Unique can be nice and beautiful not that polarizing. Because polarizing means a lot will not like it, and this forum proves it. |
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I personally think the M340 is boring and uninspiring. I've felt that way ever since it debuted. It did nothing to move the company forward IMHO (…granted, an opinion is all it is). There is nothing about the M340's aesthetics that would make me want to jettison a F3X…..again, IMHO. It's a nice looking car, but it's safe…..sterile. I feel the same way about the front of the 8. The 5's and the new 7 are much more interesting. They have more character, especially in the right spec. The new G8X's are bold and they turn heads. They don't look like anything else on the road (…which is either good or bad depending on how one feels about the car). |
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I'd def choose the Alfa in this bunch. Having driven a few of these Alfas, I can say they're one of the most fun cars I've ever driven. I felt like a child with a toy. Unfortunately they do lack severely in the interior luxury/amenities department, as the article notes.
The Audi, well, it's fine. Interiors are rad, and I wouldn't be the least upset if I had one as my daily. AMGs are great overall but the C63 is a little lacking in soul, and just feels like a branding exercise for money more than a uniquely designated racing machine. Also, I've never been able to take the C class seriously. Regardless of the M's performance, I can't even stand to look at it. And I prefer not to drive a car that looks like a beaver. But to each their own. If the rankings were up to me: 1. Alfa 2. Audi 3. AMG 4. M3 Please spare me with the "then why are you here" comments. I own an M5 that I love and doesn't look like a Pacific Northwest animal. |
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Their contempt and arrogance for the 80% is just perplexing. When you want new and differentiating design, it's certainly not required to provoke controversy like they did. |
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Was it a smart move from BMW? Only time will tell, but despite the internet chagrin, the cars are selling……so somebody knew what they were doing. Amid all of this internet controversy, the G8X's are selling very well. BMW knows they have this corner of the market more or less in their pocket, especially bringing the only MT luxury performance sedan/coupe to the market (…Cadillac as well, but they've never managed to gain much market share with the CTS-V despite its pedigree). I think what is considered arrogance on BMW's part is probably just confidence. Confidence in their product to say, "Hey! We know this design direction isn't for everybody and it's impossible to please every buyer/potential buyer out there. If you don't like it, cool, buy something else. People who may not care for the grille design, but who value its performance for the money AND who may adapt to the grille with time may find this car desirable. We've done enough market research to feel this is the right direction for the company to take us into the next decade……and then some. We've been here plenty of times and weathered the storm……a storm that resulted in a lot of profit. We'll weather this one too and likely be saying, 'I told ya so!' once again." |
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A continuous slap in the face will eventually push them out. You know, like in a relationship. You can try to make it work but "it takes two to Tango". I have seen however many that left the boat. No joke. All I learn is that repeat business is the core of any business. New customers are good, but losing old because you believe that new ones will rule, its wrong. The new ones don't have the same loyalty. Plus, many new ones are coming to the brand due to newer less expensive vehicles. In regards with the Turbo, people came to BMW because of other things. Turbo was the solution for 2000cmc tax bracket in Europe not because of the technology. Everybody did the same so BMW fans accepted the reality. But that was an outside the brand decision. I am not happy about the new mild hybrid technology either with a second battery. Maybe I will not keep the car because of that. Don't know yet. But I am looking to buy a 80's Mercedes and settle because all new shit is too much for me and electric is out of my acceptance. Last edited by Teutonic; 05-31-2021 at 07:16 PM.. |
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While many bite the bullet and buy despite not liking the grille, many buy because they do like the grille (..and were bored with the prior platform). It's hard to really quantify what percentages fall into either category. The new design also attracts buyers who might've never considered BMW, just like the many FI lovers who came to BMW back in '07 simply for the FI powerplant in the 335i and stayed. Your business concept has merit, but I think design adds in a much needed caveat. Older buyers are dependable to a point, but older buyers eventually stop buying. You need new people to become interested in a brand to keep it solvent. You can't rely on old business forever. Sometimes it's that design tweak that makes the magic happen. For example, I didn't become interested in BMW until the E36 M3. The beloved E30 does/did nothing for me, but it's loved by the even older crowd. It just wasn't enough to spark my interest. I could care less about old Porsche's (..the RUF 993 excluded), but the 997 really was the car that started my love affair and I feel like the 992 is the sweetest Porsche ever. Like you, I have zero interest in EV's…..at least as a sole car; I would be open to a hybrid though. That said, I will always want a manual transmission ICE sport car of some sort. My 992 may be the last car I ever buy (…unless a new GT3 miraculously falls into my lap). |
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It's just incredible and a bit sad that there are some people here that refuse to accept there are different tastes.
If you think that no one likes it (or should) than keep calm and lean back, the market economy should confirm your opinion. And if not, than you were probably wrong. However, it doesn't matter, because it won't change your mind if you think it is ugly, and again, it's fine, it also won't change the mind of someone who actually likes it, it's a completely pointless discussion and a waste of time cause everything has already been said (by everyone….twice…a day…)… I'll start a petition to cover the Frontend on every review, maybe with a picture of an e46 compact printed on the cover.
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Then please accept that I (and many others here) like it. I like the frontend, I like the rear fenders and I am happy with the performance figuers. I liked it from the beginning so there is no need for it to grow on me. Espacially now as I got the F90 (Nice performance, but a bit too big and a bit to disconnected) I am really thinking about switching to the G80 or wait for the G81 ( ).
And: Its perfectly fine for me that you find it ugly, you made it very clear that you don't like the car. BTT: They talk pretty positive about the steering in the review. Does anyone now how many selectable modes there are? In the F90 I only have Comfort and Sport. I would love Comfort to be even easier at city driving and a setting obove Sport that is a bit harder. Also regarding the ZF vs DCT: I loved the Up- and Downshifts of the M4 Comp. but it was also annoying to daily drive it around town (parking was the worst!). I think the ZF is fine for a BMW, as I think no BMW is a real racecar. It makes more sense imo to add someting like a Cayman gt4 -it has a DCT and it is far better than any BMW DCT could ever be.
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Also, there is a new tax on 100k+ cars here for 2022 so expect many to take delivery before January... an AWD M3C will be 110-120k + taxes with a few options.
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