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Of course things could change the idea of a 500hp m3 has been out there
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I hope most of the power gain over S55 is in the 4,000+ RPM range with more of a rising power curve. I don’t need any more torque down low but more top end is never a bad thing.
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Time will tell what the car will come with. If it comes with a rear floating caliber, you need to factor in the 7K you will spend on an upgrade.
If the 8 spd auto is slow, well there is PDK which is probably where I will go. Or just keep the one I have. It's funny how everyone speculates and none of us have actually driven the car. |
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I never enjoyed my S65. The S62 was more impressive and I think had a ton of potential. Worth noting the P65 in BMW racecars was actually S62 based.
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Maybe no one but the engineers know, but is there some unspoken rule that the M3 need to get longer and longer every generation?
That being said, the rear wheel steering should cause the car to feel and behave as if it had a shorter wheelbase. Still, it would have been nice to have M2-like agility in sedan form. |
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There is a comprehensive thread (written by yours truly) dedicated to S65 based racing engines, including various P65 applications.
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Thank god, the ZF 9 speed and Honda 8 speed DCT are both turds. |
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I beg to differ. You are showing three very distinct type of "automatic" transmission in your ptogression. Traditional planetary, automated single clutch and dual clutch; the main point they have in common is the absence of a clutch pedal, but each have very distinct mechanicals, characteristics and characters. And the "8AT" and "10AT" are not "faster" than a DCT, just cheaper for the manufacturer.
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The 8AT has much more rotating mass inertia and drivetrain loss than a DCT making for a more sluggish drivetrain. A DCT is the better performance option. There is a reason why all high end hyper cars still run DCT.
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As a tidbit, ZCP is the option code for the Competition package in the USA and is not used worldwide. Different countries use different option codes for the Competition Package.
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Because a BMW Canada rep is for some reason a reliable source ?
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Porsche have since significantly moved the 911 up market both in terms of performance and price. It isbecoming much more challenging to compare an M3/4 to a 911.
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The M3 is and has always been the ///M works version of the base 3-series car. Since the base 3-series keeps getting bigger, so does the M3. There is nothing wrong in the name in itslelf. If a lighter more nimble car is more to your liking in terms of size and performance, there is nothing wrong with that either, but that mean an "M3" is no longer for you.
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Further, the only reason the M3 is getting bigger, is because the base 3-series is getting bigger. The M-division engineers can only start from what is handed over to them.
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There is a reason McLaren, Ferrari, Porsche cars all use DCT. It is superior. No autobox fires up and down through gears like the PDK-S in a GT3 RS. |
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