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      12-27-2020, 02:14 AM   #89
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Since this cars was unveiled (and even before) there are no shortage of photos of it I fail to see how relevant it would be to have even more... On the other hand it's rare to have feedback from someone driving those, so i'm more than happy to have OP's feedback on driving dynamics.
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I got the weight figures from the label located at the bottom of the B pillar.

As others have said that figure is not the vehicle weight but the max possible gross weight.

For US spec cars, BMWNA has to publish official US weights (incl. full fluids, all standard equipment for US and all options expected to be equipped on more than one-third of M3/M4 sold). Those values show for the DCT F80 vs ZF auto G80 that there is a 300lbs weight gain by the G80. 3540 lbs for the F80 versus 3840 lbs for the G80.
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Does the "Individual shadowline lights" option make the blue inside the lights black?
I believe it would either tint the lens of the headlight or add a darker backing plate inside the lens giving a darker look, similar to how the LCI 5 series headlights are darker than pre-LCI. But I wouLd need confirmation as well. From the configurator it looks no different
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I got the weight figures from the label located at the bottom of the B pillar.

As others have said that figure is not the vehicle weight but the max possible gross weight.

For US spec cars, BMWNA has to publish official US weights (incl. full fluids, all standard equipment for US and all options expected to be equipped on more than one-third of M3/M4 sold). Those values show for the DCT F80 vs ZF auto G80 that there is a 300lbs weight gain by the G80. 3540 lbs for the F80 versus 3840 lbs for the G80.
Ok so if I math correctly, the G80 M3 comp would be 10 percent heavier than the F80 (sounds terrible). But if I math correctly again, the G80 M3 comp as 20 percent more powerful (510 HP vs 425 HP). That would seem to be moving in the right direction power-to-weight-ratio-wise, although we would like to see cars slim down vs add weight of course.
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Can you confirm whether the G80 has The Magnet that Borat was looking for?
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Can you confirm whether the G80 has The Magnet that Borat was looking for?
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Come on OP what are you doin ? We need O-60 times, breaking power, fuel consumption, hifi test, trunk golf bag tests, F80 vs G80 drag run, you name it, we have businesses to run for god's sake
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I got the weight figures from the label located at the bottom of the B pillar.

As others have said that figure is not the vehicle weight but the max possible gross weight.

For US spec cars, BMWNA has to publish official US weights (incl. full fluids, all standard equipment for US and all options expected to be equipped on more than one-third of M3/M4 sold). Those values show for the DCT F80 vs ZF auto G80 that there is a 300lbs weight gain by the G80. 3540 lbs for the F80 versus 3840 lbs for the G80.
Ok so if I math correctly, the G80 M3 comp would be 10 percent heavier than the F80 (sounds terrible). But if I math correctly again, the G80 M3 comp as 20 percent more powerful (510 HP vs 425 HP). That would seem to be moving in the right direction power-to-weight-ratio-wise, although we would like to see cars slim down vs add weight of course.
I worry about this rationalization of the car's weight being okay because it is neutralized by the additional engine power. Does it have magic suspension also neutralize the weight gain in weight transfer on the turns? Would love to see a comparison of the past three gen M3's on an average track to see how it all plays out.

Hope the M2 starts coming in 4 doors for a lighter, smaller alternative akin to the E46 M4 four door of yore.
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I got the weight figures from the label located at the bottom of the B pillar.

As others have said that figure is not the vehicle weight but the max possible gross weight.

For US spec cars, BMWNA has to publish official US weights (incl. full fluids, all standard equipment for US and all options expected to be equipped on more than one-third of M3/M4 sold). Those values show for the DCT F80 vs ZF auto G80 that there is a 300lbs weight gain by the G80. 3540 lbs for the F80 versus 3840 lbs for the G80.
Ok so if I math correctly, the G80 M3 comp would be 10 percent heavier than the F80 (sounds terrible). But if I math correctly again, the G80 M3 comp as 20 percent more powerful (510 HP vs 425 HP). That would seem to be moving in the right direction power-to-weight-ratio-wise, although we would like to see cars slim down vs add weight of course.
This... is not how this should work at all. Can't just keep adding weight as long as you increase power.


Salesman: New car weighs 3,879 lbs, Sir.

Customer: But, but, isn't that an increase of nearly 300 lbs?

S: Uh, yes, however, that's just 12% more.

C: 12%! Exactly! Too much. *slaps roof of car* What is this, an M5?

S: Well, Sir, but the power is up by 21%! It all cancels out.

C: Ehh, I don't think so. What else is new, then?

S: It's got this M Drift Meter which rates your drifts; the maximum is five stars. Your 2016 doesn't even have CarPlay! Yesterday on a test drive, though, someone got 4.5 but he, sadly, sent it into a ditch...
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Ok so if I math correctly, the G80 M3 comp would be 10 percent heavier than the F80 (sounds terrible). But if I math correctly again, the G80 M3 comp as 20 percent more powerful (510 HP vs 425 HP). That would seem to be moving in the right direction power-to-weight-ratio-wise, although we would like to see cars slim down vs add weight of course.
Everything about increasing mass is detrimental to all aspects of performance regardless of how much more power is added. Also the M3C comparison is not what you showed since the M3C is yet again heavier than the M3 by another 40 lbs more than the non-comp G80, so 3890 lbs for the M3 Competition according to BMWNA specifications.

I have zero doubt the G80 will be faster in a straight line than the F80...nobody questions that.

The G80 market is targeted at the higher end lease "renter" since lease penetration is huge for BMW in cars over $60k especially in their main markets in this country some of which approach 90% of "sales".

As an aside, BMWNA often screws up their spec pages for some reason. I had to contact them to correct the weights and weight distribution values on the M2 Competition page earlier this year; at least they responded and corrected their errors rather quickly. I mention this since the M3 vs M3 Competition spec pages show 3850 for the M3 and 3890 for the M3 Comp; both say "with automatic transmission"; however I doubt there is a 40lb increase between the two cars *unless* BMWNA spec page for the M3 really has the weight for the 6MT version of the car and is incorrectly labeled...time will tell.
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I just went out for a quick drive to try to answer some of your questions. The steering feels better than the F80. Acceleration is quick and immediate. I didn't notice turbo lag. The cold start sounds better. The ZF is adequate for daily driving. I am partial to the DCT. The power deliver is great. The weight difference between the F80 and G80 is 195 lbs. The S58 handles this increase admirably.
So the curb weight is ballpark 3850-3900 lbs? I thought it was 4000-4100
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I don't get it, the s58 is still twin turbo setup. How is it sounds way better than s55? I have had listen to the new x3m cold start and honestly cannot tell the difference.
Secondly l, does any one know how much heavier is the s58?
There are more twin turbo 6 cylinder cars that sound way better than the f80 than I can count lol.

I'm actually a fan of the s55 noise to an extent. I give it a 6.5/10, if the s58 was a 7.5. Nothing from bmw really sounds like AMG level anymore or the SVR exhaust noises from UK (jag and RR)
The N63 sounds better or as good as any AMG out right now. And it isn't a "M" motor
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So the curb weight is ballpark 3850-3900 lbs? I thought it was 4000-4100
Yes, figure right near 3900 with the automatic transmission. Later next year when the xDrive versions appear they will be in your higher range of weight.
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I just went out for a quick drive to try to answer some of your questions. The steering feels better than the F80. Acceleration is quick and immediate. I didn't notice turbo lag. The cold start sounds better. The ZF is adequate for daily driving. I am partial to the DCT. The power deliver is great. The weight difference between the F80 and G80 is 195 lbs. The S58 handles this increase admirably.
So the curb weight is ballpark 3850-3900 lbs? I thought it was 4000-4100
Awd will easily be 4100lbs
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That cluster design is horrid especially in M. These cars share so many parts now it's just copy paste between models and cost cutting. CEO and owners have lost their minds. Go chase your posers! Hope you lose billions in sales!!
Feels like a stopgap car using off the shelf parts while we wait for the inevitable electrification of everything mass produced.

This will sell and attract the leasing crowd looking for the latest and greatest at first, no doubt about it. It's a better value prop than financing a used F8X when all is considered - yet that 1,800kg weight figure is bonkers.

That's E39 M5 heavy, and nearly E60 M5 V10 weight.
Mostly agree except for F80 part. I don't want to make conclusions about the g8x until specs and reviews come out but F8x is backed by solid engineering and M values. For me that is a much higher value than the new money grab.
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Does the "Individual shadowline lights" option make the blue inside the lights black?
I believe it would either tint the lens of the headlight or add a darker backing plate inside the lens giving a darker look, similar to how the LCI 5 series headlights are darker than pre-LCI. But I wouLd need confirmation as well. From the configurator it looks no different
The shadowline lights give you black painted interior in the headlight housing. The blue is from the bmw laser light setup.
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The look is still very concerning I can't get over it
it's grown on me, more so in these M spec cars and in black. Looks bold and aggressive.
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Exactly, I had the opportunity to see and listen the new M4 in person and I can confirm that it sounds deeper and less raspy than the S55, and also louder than my M2 Competition (obviously both with OPFs).
And yes, I loved how it looks and sounds in person.
You love the grilles?

I don’t think I will ever like the grilles, but would still buy the car. I think the G20 looks great, so the more traditional look is my preference. BUT..... I have not seen it in person.

Thanks for sharing, good to hear people like it.
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This... is not how this should work at all. Can't just keep adding weight as long as you increase power.


Salesman: New car weighs 3,879 lbs, Sir.

Customer: But, but, isn't that an increase of nearly 300 lbs?

S: Uh, yes, however, that's just 12% more.

C: 12%! Exactly! Too much. *slaps roof of car* What is this, an M5?

S: Well, Sir, but the power is up by 21%! It all cancels out.

C: Ehh, I don't think so. What else is new, then?

S: It's got this M Drift Meter which rates your drifts; the maximum is five stars. Your 2016 doesn't even have CarPlay! Yesterday on a test drive, though, someone got 4.5 but he, sadly, sent it into a ditch...
My hope is BMW went after the Alfa and not the Audi/Benz.

Alfa weighs over 3800lbs, but some reviewers said it felt 2800lbs on a back road and was much more fun and agile than the F80. Engineering magic! TBD
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You love the grilles?

I don’t think I will ever like the grilles, but would still buy the car. I think the G20 looks great, so the more traditional look is my preference. BUT..... I have not seen it in person.

Thanks for sharing, good to hear people like it.
Maybe I don't love, but I like them, I found the front end mean overall. I don't love the grille of my M2 Competition (Skoda style) either, but I can live with it.
Here my impressions: https://g80.bimmerpost.com/forums/sh...&postcount=485
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