[bm323]

Originally Posted by Boss330

You got the last three generations mixed up on which M5 you compared with. You also listed the G80 from 3,9xx to 4,3xx, but the official spec is 3930-3980lb

E90 M3 - E60 M5 (not F10 M5)
F80 M3 - F10 M5 (not F90 M5)
G80 M3 - F90 M5


E90 weight: 3,629 E60 M5: 4,090
F80 weight: 3,351-3,653 F10 M5: 4,387
G80 weight: 3,930 to 3,980 F90 M5: 4,370

E90 vs E60 was 461lb difference
G80 vs F90 is 390-440lb difference

I also wish that the lightweight philosophy of the F80 could have carried over. But it's quite similar to the E90 vs E60 difference at least.

Did you account for the weight of the Xdrive (for the G80 vs F90) in the comparisons above?

[Bumpinjeep]

Originally Posted by frankiebones

Like I said, for a 6MT driver, not much has changed other than the weight. I'm not concerned about 5."

The car is sportier in it's tech and approach than any other car in the segment. Just the f**king weight gain is huge negative.

For me it was two things that initially upset me, other than the way it looks, which again, i'll have to reserve my judgment until i see it in real life.
1. The lack of manual in the Comp spec.
2. The size and weight.

My M3 had the ZCP and I personally loved that package. To me, it didn't make a lot of sense buying one without it just to spend money modding it to the ZCP levels in the first place.
So the G80 spec I would have gone with would have been a 6 speed Comp car. Unfortunately, that's not an option for some reason or another. I'm guessing by year two or three, they will offer the Comp with the 6 speed. Sort of what they did with previous generations M5 and what Porsche did with the GT3 cars.

[Bumpinjeep]

Originally Posted by bm323

Did you account for the weight of the Xdrive (for the G80 vs F90) in the comparisons above?

Negative, I will guarantee you that the AWD system will weigh more than the 50 lbs. difference in those G80 numbers. I would venture the system will add anywhere from 250 lbs. to 350 lbs. And it will be in the front of the car. I hope BMW finds a way to counteract it somehow so the car wont turn into a nose heavy Audi.
I dont want the M3 to turn into an RS5.

[frankiebones]

Originally Posted by Bumpinjeep

For me it was two things that initially upset me, other than the way it looks, which again, i'll have to reserve my judgment until i see it in real life.
1. The lack of manual in the Comp spec.
2. The size and weight.

My M3 had the ZCP and I personally loved that package. To me, it didn't make a lot of sense buying one without it just to spend money modding it to the ZCP levels in the first place.
So the G80 spec I would have gone with would have been a 6 speed Comp car. Unfortunately, that's not an option for some reason or another. I'm guessing by year two or three, they will offer the Comp with the 6 speed. Sort of what they did with previous generations M5 and what Porsche did with the GT3 cars.

As I understand it, the only difference in base and ZCP is power (30 HP is nothing), chrome badge vs. black badge, and smoked out tail lights. The suspension is the same. Suspension, not power, was the biggest difference in the F8x base vs. ZCP. I'm good man.

[bm323]

Originally Posted by Boss330

You got the last three generations mixed up on which M5 you compared with. You also listed the G80 from 3,9xx to 4,3xx, but the official spec is 3930-3980lb

E90 M3 - E60 M5 (not F10 M5)
F80 M3 - F10 M5 (not F90 M5)
G80 M3 - F90 M5


E90 weight: 3,629 E60 M5: 4,090
F80 weight: 3,351-3,653 F10 M5: 4,387
G80 weight: 3,930 to 3,980 F90 M5: 4,370

E90 vs E60 was 461lb difference
G80 vs F90 is 390-440lb difference

I also wish that the lightweight philosophy of the F80 could have carried over. But it's quite similar to the E90 vs E60 difference at least.

1 more point - with reference to your weights mentioned above, F10 to F90 lost weight. What happened to F80 to G80?

Don't get me wrong, I had initially decided to get a G80 LCI; now I'm not sure.

[Bumpinjeep]

Originally Posted by frankiebones

As I understand it, the only difference in base and ZCP is power (30 HP is nothing), chrome badge vs. black badge, and smoked out tail lights. The suspension is the same. Suspension, not power, was the biggest difference in the F8x base vs. ZCP. I'm good man.

Bruh, there's a MASSIVE 73 lb-ft of torque difference between the two. I believe the bumpers are different as well.

On the F80 it was the total package, ECU tuning for more top end and power overall, exhaust tuning, suspension tuning, the seats were more aggressive, and the wheels. In that regard you're completely right, the F80 had a more drastic difference, but the torque difference in the G series is HUGE.

[Boss330]

Originally Posted by bm323

Did you account for the weight of the Xdrive (for the G80 vs F90) in the comparisons above?

The G80 weights are the base (6MT) and Competition (8AT), both rwd. Those are the only official weights we have at the moment,

[JTO24]

Originally Posted by Bumpinjeep

Bruh, there's a MASSIVE 73 lb-ft of torque difference between the two. I believe the bumpers are different as well.

On the F80 it was the total package, ECU tuning for more top end and power overall, exhaust tuning, suspension tuning, the seats were more aggressive, and the wheels. In that regard you're completely right, the F80 had a more drastic difference, but the torque difference in the G series is HUGE.

Bumpers are the same, but trim is a little different between base and comp G8x cars. Comp cars get black badges, exhaust tips, mirrors and gourney flap where the base gets chrome badges and tips and body color mirrors and gourney flap.

Since the suspension and seats are not unique to the comp this time, I feel no reason to go for it; especially since I want a manual. Power is fine for me. Would I like the extra hp and torque? Yea, but not worth it to give up the manual just yet... ask me again in a few years lol

[Boss330]

Originally Posted by Bumpinjeep

Negative, I will guarantee you that the AWD system will weigh more than the 50 lbs. difference in those G80 numbers. I would venture the system will add anywhere from 250 lbs. to 350 lbs. And it will be in the front of the car. I hope BMW finds a way to counteract it somehow so the car wont turn into a nose heavy Audi.
I dont want the M3 to turn into an RS5.

The difference in my post is MT vs AT (or base vs comp).

The x-drive adds roughly 200-210lb on the current 3-series and adds a transfer case at the rear of the transmission (centre of the car) and of course the front diff and axles (so not good for weight distribution).

[2000Z3M]

Originally Posted by frankiebones

Just curious, who among you is actually going to get your G8x in SPY?

that yellow is awesome!

[mcjohnsonsg]

Originally Posted by Bumpinjeep

Negative, I will guarantee you that the AWD system will weigh more than the 50 lbs. difference in those G80 numbers. I would venture the system will add anywhere from 250 lbs. to 350 lbs. And it will be in the front of the car. I hope BMW finds a way to counteract it somehow so the car wont turn into a nose heavy Audi.
I dont want the M3 to turn into an RS5.

The Awd system in the M340xdrive adds 120lbs.

[solstice]

Originally Posted by mcjohnsonsg

The Awd system in the M340xdrive adds 120lbs.

Exactly, a lot of exaggeration going on here as to AWD weight.

[karussell]

Originally Posted by frankiebones

Just curious, who among you is actually going to get your G8x in SPY?

Ordered m3 manual in SPY

[solstice]

Originally Posted by karussell

Ordered m3 manual in SPY

I suspect you’ll be the first here to bring on of these to the track. Have you received an estimate delivery date?

[frankiebones]

Originally Posted by Bumpinjeep

Bruh, there's a MASSIVE 73 lb-ft of torque difference between the two. I believe the bumpers are different as well.

On the F80 it was the total package, ECU tuning for more top end and power overall, exhaust tuning, suspension tuning, the seats were more aggressive, and the wheels. In that regard you're completely right, the F80 had a more drastic difference, but the torque difference in the G series is HUGE.

You make some valid points but.... Bruh, we still got a manual, in 2020, as in 2020 A.D.

I will also say I tune every car so the torque and HP for me is just what I’m stuck with until the break in service at 1,200 miles (at which point I tune).

[Boss330]

Originally Posted by solstice

Exactly, a lot of exaggeration going on here as to AWD weight.

Originally Posted by mcjohnsonsg

The Awd system in the M340xdrive adds 120lbs.

Originally Posted by solstice

Exactly, a lot of exaggeration going on here as to AWD weight.

On the 330i the difference between the rwd and x-drive is 95kg, or 210lbs.

Where did you get the 120lbs number from?
Hopefully x-drive is just 120lbs and the remaining 90lbs is different base equipment that goes with the x-drive model.

[sleeprequired]

Originally Posted by VetteGuy

The minutia people find to bitch about amazes me. Yeah, pass over an emblem because it doesn’t measure up to the one I’m used to. Good plan.

This is a forum, FOR OPINIONS. Would you like me to ignore how I feel about it and roll with your criticism without an opinion? Yeah cool bro, yeah what you said. Much more important to me than my own opinion.

See, sarcasm is so easy.

[sleeprequired]

Originally Posted by frankiebones

The M3 was the original sleeper "coupe." Only recently became the sedan in the e9x and f80 variants. I think more differentiated outward aesthetics became completely necessary once they started putting M bades on the 340 and the 440.

I'm not, by nature, a low key kinda guy. I'm all for these aggressive changes.

They are largely marketing to the same people, many of whom spent small fortunes on aftermarket parts over the last 2 generations. They'll likely pull in some AMG consumers as well.

Yeah fair enough it was a coupe. To me though, the car has always represented a sleeper. It was, to me, a car that other BMW enthusiasts noticed but was easily underestimated by the masses.

The more we head toward the overt styling, the less that’s true IMO. But I guess I’m ok with that - providing they get the styling right. I think they almost nailed the front end, except where the grille area meets the bonnet and badge. They messed that up in my opinion.

On the upshot I like the grille, and especially the side view on the M4. Disappointing because the M4 is not a practical option for me.

I would love to see a render of the M3/4 without that indentation in the bonnet....

My eyes are drawn to it and when I see people commenting on colours that look good in the new M3/4, I think they’re all colours like black/white which minimise the contrast on that design element.

Ha. I’m also going back more than 2 generations, but yeah in my view it’s trending aggressive relative to the standard series over time. All I’m saying is the more aggressive you go, the more you’re obligated to nail the design.

[mcjohnsonsg]

Originally Posted by Boss330

On the 330i the difference between the rwd and x-drive is 95kg, or 210lbs.

Where did you get the 120lbs number from?
Hopefully x-drive is just 120lbs and the remaining 90lbs is different base equipment that goes with the x-drive model.

The weight of the 2020 M340i was quoted as being 3,849lbs. And the weight of the 2020 M340xdrive was quoted as being 3968lbs.

[princefemi]

Originally Posted by VetteGuy

The minutia people find to bitch about amazes me. Yeah, pass over an emblem because it doesn’t measure up to the one I’m used to. Good plan.

I think you are missing his point. He thinks his current tuned M3 looks better than the new car and has enough performance that renders the new motor undesirable. You guys are focused on his emblem comment, which is shielding you from understanding his overall sentiment. The man does not like the looks of the new M3 ...period!