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I'm sure the reason modern cars are porkers is that they built the chassis to handle lugging around massive batteries in a couple of years' time. (and to be shared with the 'monster-truck' SUV versions). |
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3200lb 718 GT4 is probably the lightest most recent model of luxury sports cars (other than like Alpine A110). Its a sad day indeed that a 3400lb Supra and probably 3500lb G87 M2 will be the lightest affordable luxury sports cars in their class... |
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It's depressing. Maybe they will make another BMW M Coupe based on the Z4... with a manual.
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Don't think the G87 M2 is only going to be 3,500 pounds. Add another 200 - 300 to the 3,500.
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Part of the issue is the G20 3 series is a massive car to begin with, it's basically the size of an E39 5 series.
Where BMW have gotten it wrong is building a 'mini' M5 with AWD and 8AT to play the numbers game and please the stoplight racers. They should be pushing what made BMW great in the first place, not bringing them closer to Audi and everyone else. Throw in the crippled manual and accompanying engine tune, with engineers who actively looked to dial out steering feel for good measure. If your going to be stuck with a 7.2K RPM redline at least make it a V8, at this point it feels so far away from the original ethos of an M car. There's an interview out there with the current head of design from a year or so ago, and his disdain for traditional BMW is pretty clear. A nice set of carbon bucket seats doesn't disguise that the direction set at the top of BMW has been heading in the wrong direction for a long time. Just ask Albert Biermann.. |
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Trying to compensate weight with power can only go so far, at the end of the day you can't beat physics, about 3500lbs is where it starts to tip the balance. Look up an interview with Gordon Murray about the new T.50 and he goes into detail why weight is so important for handling dynamics. |
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Not only was the exterior design done by my 5 year olds classmates, they let my coworkers plan out the size too?
All jokes aside, did they plan the ugly front end to sneak in the weight and not think we'd notice?
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yep, bmw's lost it.
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Gearbox F80 G80 Difference
M3 Sedan Manual 1595 kg 1780 kg 185 kg M3 Sedan Auto 1635 kg M3 Competition Manual 1610 kg M3 Competition Auto 1635 kg 1805 kg 170 kg M4 Coupe Manual 1572 kg M4 Coupe Auto 1572 kg 1775 kg 203 kg M4 Competition Manual 1612 kg M4 Competition Auto 1590 kg 1615 kg 1800 kg 185 kg https://www.bmwblog.com/2020/09/23/b...82-vs-g80-g82/
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Sorry, I don't have the info; I merely copied info from the bmwblog link above.
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That's disappointing. No surprising I guess, but disappointing all the same. I'm sure it's a fine car, but ugly and heavy. For those that actually put their cars on the track this one will be a non starter. Just too heavy. Consumables will be ultra high. It's also funny to me the track pack has ceramic brakes. No one who actually tracks uses ceramic brakes. Maybe they should have named that the "track look" package.
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Audio RS5 now has the upper hand
Not sure how far along the next RS 5 is in the development stage (I'm sure the chassis and main structural components are all locked in now). But they have this giant opportunity now to beat G8x on weight....
If I was the chief engineer there, having seen these weight figures, i would do anything and everything now to claim the throne from BMW - by spending all my resources and R&D on weight reduction.
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The original weight of the F8X was grossly understated. It was for a bare bones zero option car which did not exist anywhere in the world. EU regulations have since changed to avoid this, so I don't believe the G8X in the real world will be much heavier than advertised.
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Car looks fat as shit, complete ass. Although i love the interior and the quad pipes.
The M4 looks like an M8. These are fast sports cars, they aren't M cars |
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heavyD^2 I'm just saying they now have the opportunity to go for it.... (if it makes business sense to the board..etc..)
I dont believe next RS5 will be sub-4000 lbs either.
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