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      09-24-2020, 07:07 PM   #419
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Some of the design decisions behind this car make you scratch your head.

1) lower TQ on manual model
2) lowest revving engine for an M3
3) heaviest M3 ever
4) ZF auto similar to the other models
5) power levels on par with the last gen C63
6) Significantly Over stylized

From a cost savings standpoint, this car seems to be a win... from an enthusiast perspective, it makes you wonder who this car was designed for. I won't question anything related to this car until I see the actual performance... it may be extremely good but is performance everything? If so... then the electric cars are overtaking.
I think if you look at it from a corporate decision making standpoint, product price point. I mean have you seen TSLA's stock price and how well their cars sold while every other mfg is bleeding? Know your customer and product market fit, which BMW, being a multinational has teams dedicated to doing this type of consumer research.

1. Less buyers for manual and can charge more for the AWD auto, which will sell the most.
2. as mentioned, cost
3. power to weight is more important and BMW isn't dumb to make a slower car
4. This ZF auto is supposed a M8HP76 compared to the standard 8HP70 in the M340i auto, launch control is more consistent than a DCT, and is smoother trans, again for the average more casual buyer. Would also add that the ZF8 is damn good i haven't heard Supra owners complaining that much
5. Maybe from rated factory and the C63 is still priced higher, and isn't that going to a 4 cylinder? I'd take a S58 over the C63 V-8 tbh
6. subjective, the styling is generating buzz, ultimately will sell, because it is simply a better car than prior M cars and stands out...also chicks dig the looks

to your electric car point....a G80 vs a model 3P is probably a very close comparison at 4k lbs and both being torque beasts and will probably be cross shopped to some extent

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Have we heard if it'll have the M xDrive like the M5? If so it's the best of both worlds.
Yes, it is official in the launch press release. M xDrive with three modes: AWD, AWD Sport, and RWD just like the M5/M8.
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Picture of the 6MT as none were shown in the original press packet.
Note that the iDrive controller moves rearward to make room for the shift boot. Therefore 6MT cars won't have the silly "M3" logo sitting on the center console where the iDrive controller will live.
Somehow the 6MT and iDrive controller position looked better in this setup. It also appears the center console uses nicer matte finish buttons layout instead of glossy version, hopefully it gets updated in LCI G8x!
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      09-25-2020, 12:16 AM   #423
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Best guess: they don't have an MT in the parts bin that can handle the torque, and didn't want to invest in developing or sourcing one. So they dug up what they had and detuned the engine to make it work on the cheap.

The automatic is the real car and the one they expect (and want) to sell. It really just looks like the MT (base) version is an afterthought that they're probably just using to "prove" that they still build driver's cars for enthusiasts. I don't know why they bothered at all, because most real driving enthusiasts have bought the M2 or left the BMW brand entirely (me included; bought a Porsche this year after 17 years of exclusive BMW ownership and won't be going back).
They do, the unit in the F1x M5 and M6 had 680nm. My theory is they needed the Comp to be faster than the 'standard'
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      09-25-2020, 03:11 AM   #424
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Cant find it in this press release, any info on the driveshaft? Is it back to CFRP or is it steel like the F8x cars got mid-2018 onwards?
The long version (https://www.press.bmwgroup.com/globa...16649EN/461046) has "The forged lightweight crankshaft in the unit for the new BMW M3 Sedan and new BMW M4 Coupé uses its reduced rotating mass to hone its high-revving characteristics."

Not being a native speaker, this might be talking about a different shaft?
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The long version (https://www.press.bmwgroup.com/globa...16649EN/461046) has "The forged lightweight crankshaft in the unit for the new BMW M3 Sedan and new BMW M4 Coupé uses its reduced rotating mass to hone its high-revving characteristics."

Not being a native speaker, this might be talking about a different shaft?
Crankshaft connects connecting rods and flywheel. Diveshaft connects transmission to differential. So yes, different shaft.
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Some of the design decisions behind this car make you scratch your head.

1) lower TQ on manual model
2) lowest revving engine for an M3
3) heaviest M3 ever
4) ZF auto similar to the other models
5) power levels on par with the last gen C63
6) Significantly Over stylized

From a cost savings standpoint, this car seems to be a win... from an enthusiast perspective, it makes you wonder who this car was designed for. I won't question anything related to this car until I see the actual performance... it may be extremely good but is performance everything? If so... then the electric cars are overtaking.
USDM E36 M3 had the lowest redline
USDM E36 M3 also had a shared transmissions with other non-M cars

I don't recall any M3 having more power than a C AMG
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Some of the design decisions behind this car make you scratch your head.

1) lower TQ on manual model
2) lowest revving engine for an M3
3) heaviest M3 ever
4) ZF auto similar to the other models
5) power levels on par with the last gen C63
6) Significantly Over stylized

From a cost savings standpoint, this car seems to be a win... from an enthusiast perspective, it makes you wonder who this car was designed for. I won't question anything related to this car until I see the actual performance... it may be extremely good but is performance everything? If so... then the electric cars are overtaking.
On the size and weight front, I can't help but keep thinking this car is about the same as the E39/E60 M5 was.

As for whom it's designed for? I would say, unequivocally, two groups. The Chinese market and social media influencers. BMW will pay the latter to showcase and mod the car to drive sales and brand growth. Customers will do the same, blow up their car and get their warranty voided...but who cares about them!
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I think this thing will look great in person. Kinda with the current Z4 had more of that front end styling.
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      09-25-2020, 12:02 PM   #430
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Some more photos of the 6-speed manual equipped G8x

I nominate this for post of the year.

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They do, the unit in the F1x M5 and M6 had 680nm. My theory is they needed the Comp to be faster than the 'standard'
They had to detune the engine to limit torque in 1st and 2nd gear else it would be blown to pieces after a couple of launch attempts.
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They had to detune the engine to limit torque in 1st and 2nd gear else it would be blown to pieces after a couple of launch attempts.
That's fine, I've got no grip anyway
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So any word on how BMW has dynamically improved the handling of this car? Any improvements to suspension geometry? Steering rack? Methods to reduce turbo lag? Or is M not geared towards drivers anymore?
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Picture of the 6MT as none were shown in the original press packet.
Note that the iDrive controller moves rearward to make room for the shift boot. Therefore 6MT cars won't have the silly "M3" logo sitting on the center console where the iDrive controller will live.
Somehow the 6MT and iDrive controller position looked better in this setup. It also appears the center console uses nicer matte finish buttons layout instead of glossy version, hopefully it gets updated in LCI G8x!
If I'm not mistaken, the 6MT M3 matte finish center console comes from the base 3-series sold with a manual transmission in some parts of the world (obviously not North America). Just the SETUP, M MODE, and M Exhaust control button are different from those ultra-base model 3-series.

The M3 Competition glossy center console (with automatic) comes straight out of the M8 and X5M/X6M.
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So any word on how BMW has dynamically improved the handling of this car? Any improvements to suspension geometry? Steering rack? Methods to reduce turbo lag? Or is M not geared towards drivers anymore?
The press release talks about it a bit. The first link is highlights which basically translates to a bunch of pictures showing the features and the 3rd link is the long text version which talks about all of the things they are proud about.

https://www.press.bmwgroup.com/globa...ion-coup%C3%A9
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As you can see the basic 3-series center console (matte-finish) is almost identical to the M3 6MT center console (matte) save for the SETUP, M MODE, and M Exhaust control buttons. Also the aluminum START/STOP 3-series button swaps for a red version on the M3 6MT.

As an aside, the blank button on the M3 6MT center console (upper left corner) is for the optional parking cameras.

1st pic 330i vs 2nd pic M3 6MT
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Here is a picture of the base G20 320d manual transmission center console from elsewhere in the world. Identical to new G80 M3 6MT (but different shift knob).
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Here is a picture of the base G20 320d manual transmission center console from elsewhere in the world. Identical to new G80 M3 6MT (but different shift knob).
pretty sure start stop got moved from key location to console as well?
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Apologies if this has already been covered, but why is the US spec rated at 503 and the euro spec at 510hp?
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Apologies if this has already been covered, but why is the US spec rated at 503 and the euro spec at 510hp?
510 PS (metric horsepower) = 503 hp (imperial horsepower).
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