[lemetier]

Originally Posted by BimmerMat135

Bmw just have to take a lost on this one it like publicity it's an investment you bring a different type of customers to the brand while having all the car reviewer suddenly loving your brand.

Ok. How much loss and how much conquest will result?

[sq86]

Signed. Hopefully the aftermarket fixes the damn front end.

[BimmerMat135]

Originally Posted by lemetier

Ok. How much loss and how much conquest will result?

Well I'm not a share holder so I don't really mind. But if the only thing that matter to them is pure profit and there not a single ounce of passion remaining they just don't deserve my money anyway. Meanwhile Audi, Mercedes and Volvo have nice wagons.

[OriginalFake]

Originally Posted by BimmerMat135

Well I'm not a share holder so I don't really mind. But if the only thing that matter to them is pure profit and there not a single ounce of passion remaining they just don't deserve my money anyway. Meanwhile Audi, Mercedes and Volvo have nice wagons.

Come on. They are a business. You think they are just going to lose potentially MILLIONS of dollars because maybe 500 Americas will actually buy this wagon over the course of a few years?

I want this car as much as anyone but them not bringing it to the US doesn't mean they lack passion.

[BimmerMat135]

Originally Posted by OriginalFake

Come on. They are a business. You think they are just going to lose potentially MILLIONS of dollars because maybe 500 Americas will actually buy this wagon over the course of a few years?

I want this car as much as anyone but them not bringing it to the US doesn't mean they lack passion.

Well look at the 1M a car that nobody at Bmw wanted to produce. It end up being an instant success. They only bring 740 of them in USA. Now they are many variation of the M2 if this is not a sign of how clueless is their marketing department. Let's talk about the i8 did they really made a ton of money with it? What about the GT cars that didn't sell? Maybe we can discuss the active tourer and grand tourer I wonder what type of success was that.

[OriginalFake]

Originally Posted by BimmerMat135

Well look at the 1M a car that nobody at Bmw wanted to produce. It end up being an instant success. They only bring 740 of them in USA. Now they are many variation of the M2 if this is not a sign of how clueless is their marketing department. Let's talk about the i8 did they really made a ton of money with it? What about the GT cars that didn't sell? Maybe we can discuss the active tourer and grand tourer I wonder what type of success was that.

We're talking about different things here. Many people have already talked about how much it would cost to federalize the G81 for the US market. That's an upfront cost that they know. This isn't about a clueless marketing department or other cars that did or did not sell.

Would I love BMW to just eat $50 million to bring the G81 to the US? Again, of course. But I get why they won't and I don't think it has to do with passion, as you said.

[JoeyBananaz18]

Originally Posted by OriginalFake

We're talking about different things here. Many people have already talked about how much it would cost to federalize the G81 for the US market. That's an upfront cost that they know. This isn't about a clueless marketing department or other cars that did or did not sell.

Would I love BMW to just eat $50 million to bring the G81 to the US? Again, of course. But I get why they won't and I don't think it has to do with passion, as you said.

Then they can eat the cost of us going elsewhere.

[OriginalFake]

Originally Posted by JoeyBananaz18

Then they can eat the cost of us going elsewhere.

They'll be just fine.

[frankchn]

Originally Posted by JoeyBananaz18

Then they can eat the cost of us going elsewhere.

Where are you going to go though? Mercedes and Audi don't offer a C-class wagon or a A4 Avant in the US either.

You can step up to a E63 wagon or a RS6 Avant, but those are M5 competitors with a price tag to match.

In addition, at M3/RS5/C63 tier, the M3 is the only car that offers a manual gearbox, so "true enthusiasts" are not going go to MB/Audi at this level if they want to row their own gears.

[M-Pilot]

Originally Posted by frankchn

Where are you going to go though? Mercedes and Audi don't offer a C-class wagon or a A4 Avant in the US either.

You can step up to a E63 wagon or a RS6 Avant, but those are M5 competitors with a price tag to match.

In addition, at M3/RS5/C63 tier, the M3 is the only car that offers a manual gearbox, so "true enthusiasts" are not going go to MB/Audi at this level if they want to row their own gears.

It's already pretty much confirmed that G81 will be AWD and 8AT only. I personally much prefer the 6MT but I would take the G81 even with that combo at this point.

If nothing changes and BMW doesn't offer it in the US, I wouldn't hesitate to jump ship to Audi or Benz. It doesn't have to be a brand new car. I still would happily consider a low mileage E63S Wagon or RS6 Avant.

[JoeyBananaz18]

Originally Posted by M-Pilot

It's already pretty much confirmed that G81 will be AWD and 8AT only. I personally much prefer the 6MT but I would take the G81 even with that combo at this point.

If nothing changes and BMW doesn't offer it in the US, I wouldn't hesitate to jump ship to Audi or Benz. It doesn't have to be a brand new car. I still would happily consider a low mileage E63S Wagon or RS6 Avant.

this 100%, including about it being auto and AWD.

[ki__]

Originally Posted by JasonDot

Ummm, that petition/request paragraph has a lot of room for improvement.

If anyone has any suggestions, feel free to send me a PM.

[CarbonBlackJack]

Assuming people are seeing the email update to the petition detailing how BMW NA Professional Car Council would love the car to come but costs to federalize, etc. are a concern and will be much more expensive since the standard wagon is no longer offered here. Also a discussion on premium people are willing to pay over the standard coup/sedan/convertible. Not that they would price the car in RS6 territory but the dollars and cents angle is ultimately the key here.

Anyone know how much a vehicle costs to federalize? Several hundred thousand? More? Time to set up a GoFundMe page?

[spuntyb]

Just saw the Change.org update.

I'd be willing to look at a $90k+ starting MSRP with a $5k deposit to secure one.

[BimmerMat135]

Originally Posted by spuntyb

Just saw the Change.org update.

I'd be willing to look at a $90k+ starting MSRP with a $5k deposit to secure one.

Well I don't like the fact that they want us to pay for their lack of planning. In Canada the E63 wagon is 3000$ more than the sedan and our C43 wagon is 1000$ more than the C43 sedan. So the price premium of the G81 should be somewhere in between 1000-3000$ more than the G80. Otherwise they have the receipt for a sale failure. Just bring the G21 to spread the cost.

[spuntyb]

Originally Posted by BimmerMat135

Well I don't like the fact that they want us to pay for their lack of planning. In Canada the E63 wagon is 3000$ more than the sedan and our C43 wagon is 1000$ more than the C43 sedan. So the price premium of the G81 should be somewhere in between 1000-3000$ more than the G80. Otherwise they have the receipt for a sale failure. Just bring the G21 to spread the cost.

Maybe you can skip the G81, and get the slightly more affordable M wagon when/if they decide to send it here then? Personally I would be happy to pay 6 figures to be one of the first in NA.

[lemetier]

Originally Posted by CarbonBlackJack

Anyone know how much a vehicle costs to federalize? Several hundred thousand?

North of $55,000,000.

[marcw]

Originally Posted by xlover

I'm going to misstate specifics so I would pop over to the other wagon related thread and review it but the tldr is: amongst other non-us complaint items the battery is in the tailgate area, under US rules it constitutes a lethal hazard to occupants of the vehicle so would require re-engineering.

I have a hard time believing that. My F-Type has two batteries in the trunk.

[seis-speed]

Originally Posted by lemetier

North of $55,000,000.

What do you make of the poll? I am a Wagon fan and I am surprised by the results. Seemingly, the touring/wagon could have been more popular than the coupe.

[M-Pilot]

Originally Posted by marcw

I have a hard time believing that. My F-Type has two batteries in the trunk.

Same here... F8x M2/M3/M4 all have their batteries in the trunk and I don't think it's any different for G8x models (of which sedan, coupe and cabrio are already homologated for the US market).

[itsmabs]

Truthfully 90k is what I would wanna pay fully loaded. Above that the thought of the RS6/e63s does start creeping in. But I do prefer the size of a M3 touring.

[BimmerMat135]

Originally Posted by spuntyb

Maybe you can skip the G81, and get the slightly more affordable M wagon when/if they decide to send it here then? Personally I would be happy to pay 6 figures to be one of the first in NA.

Anyway since the chances are so slim I will probably end up in a Mercedes or Audi dealer.