[M3AWD]

Count me in if the wagon is $10k cheaper than the sedan haha

[SCOTT26]

Originally Posted by brad850csi

Any idea on 6MT for RHD markets for the G81?

What I have been told is Auto with XDrive only. Need to sell to the Austrians,Swiss and Italians.

[brad850csi]

Originally Posted by SCOTT26

What I have been told is Auto with XDrive only. Need to sell to the Austrians,Swiss and Italians.

Makes sense thanks. TBH that brings it really close to the B3 Touring.

[BimmerMat135]

Originally Posted by SCOTT26

What I have been told is Auto with XDrive only. Need to sell to the Austrians,Swiss and Italians.

What about Canadian we also need quick wagon to go skiing.

[solstice]

Originally Posted by BimmerMat135

What about Canadian we also need quick wagon to go skiing.

Then forget about the southerners in the alpine countries and do it like your northern brothers in Sweden

[frankchn]

Originally Posted by lemetier

RoW G2x Touring isn't compatible with US FMVSS.

E-Class Estate - Main Battery under the hood

A6 Avant - Main Battery under the hood

G21/81 - Main battery in luggage compartment which is part of the occupant compartment. This where the issues begin.

The closest comparison program for a G81 FMVSS compliant variant would be the Range Rover SVA Coupé. Had that gone through, total development cost was approx $115m, $90M of which would be covered by sales.

Any idea what changed between the F31 + G05 and G21 in this regard? The F31 and G05 both have the main battery in the luggage compartment and is US legal.

[lemetier]

Originally Posted by frankchn

Any idea what changed between the F31 + G05 and G21 in this regard? The F31 and G05 both have the main battery in the luggage compartment and is US legal.

It's more of what didn't happen.

F31 went through the processes unique to FMVSS.

MB sells the C-Class Estate in Canada, but it is impossible to obtain a Certificate of Conformity for the US.

SUV are a bit different because the same tests are required for all markets.

There is a small market for Premium High Performance Station Wagons in the US. It's less than 500 per year and shrinking fast. MB has never sold more than 125 E63 Estate per year and the avg is less than 75. This year to date is 51 so far + 12 cancelled orders (13 listed but I bought one and have already traded it). Audi was planning on 125 RS6 per year for 2 years. That program is on the edge of falling apart.

BMW isn't who needs convincing. It's the current US Government that's standing in the way. There's two Hail Mary's that could make it possible, but both have to occur and no later than January.

[LOW4LYF]

Originally Posted by frankchn

Any idea what changed between the F31 + G05 and G21 in this regard? The F31 and G05 both have the main battery in the luggage compartment and is US legal.

All X3,X4,X5,X6,X7 have a battery in the trunk... I don't believe this story...

[brad850csi]

Originally Posted by LOW4LYF

All X3,X4,X5,X6,X7 have a battery in the trunk... I don't believe this story...

You missed this from Lemetier:

F31 went through the processes unique to FMVSS.

SUV are a bit different because the same tests are required for all markets.

He isn't making this up.

[LOW4LYF]

Originally Posted by brad850csi

You missed this from Lemetier:

F31 went through the processes unique to FMVSS.

SUV are a bit different because the same tests are required for all markets.

He isn't making this up.

It's a Battery, a damn Battery...lol

BMW is selling electric and hybrid vehicles in the US with a much bigger battery...


Well, I'm not supriced since FMVSS and DOT they have weird regulations, however if BMW want to they could bring the wagon to US.


So just out of curiosity, where is the battery on the RS5 Sportback or E63S Wagon?



Edit: A lot Mercedes Wagons have their Battery in the trunk same as BMW.

[frankchn]

Originally Posted by LOW4LYF

Well, I'm not supriced since FMVSS and DOT they have weird regulations, however if BMW want to they could bring the wagon to US.

Ultimately it is about the money. BMW doesn't think it can cover the compliance and potential re-engineering costs in trying to harmonize wagons for sale in the US, and looking at the market and numbers, I don't blame them.

The best way to do this is to convince Congress to allow cars that meet UNECE regulations to be imported to the US without any additional compliance with FMVSS.

Canada already accepts the UNECE standards as alternatives to the CMVSS (Canada's version of the FMVSS), and the M3 wagon can be imported there without additional certification.

[Kief]

Originally Posted by lemetier

Audi was planning on 125 RS6 per year for 2 years. That program is on the edge of falling apart.

Is it...according to the forums, cars are to arrive next month?

[BimmerMat135]

Originally Posted by frankchn

Ultimately it is about the money. BMW doesn't think it can cover the compliance and potential re-engineering costs in trying to harmonize wagons for sale in the US, and looking at the market and numbers, I don't blame them.

The best way to do this is to convince Congress to allow cars that meet UNECE regulations to be imported to the US without any additional compliance with FMVSS.

Canada already accepts the UNECE standards as alternatives to the CMVSS (Canada's version of the FMVSS), and the M3 wagon can be imported there without additional certification.

As long as we get it in Canada i'll be happy. But as usual BMW don't give a shit about the Canadian market.

[lemetier]

Originally Posted by LOW4LYF

It's a Battery, a damn Battery...lol

BMW is selling electric and hybrid vehicles in the US with a much bigger battery...


Well, I'm not supriced since FMVSS and DOT they have weird regulations, however if BMW want to they could bring the wagon to US.


So just out of curiosity, where is the battery on the RS5 Sportback or E63S Wagon?



Edit: A lot Mercedes Wagons have their Battery in the trunk same as BMW.

Under FMVSS it's a potential high mass, blunt projectile located inside the occupant safety compartment.

It's not that the battery cannot be located there, it's that FMVSS requires 7 additional crash tests beyond the 2 common per UN. These are not cheap (approx $2m each). Then you'll have to do DOT glass, rear lighting, license plate bracket, etc etc.

Slant hatchback Vehicles are typically designed so that the luggage compartment doesn't technically become part of the occupant safety cell.

E63S has the main non-propulsion accessory battery under the front cowl. There is a small auxiliary battery for Auto-Start Stop in the back, but it is considered inconsequential under the regs.

[mkoesel]

Originally Posted by Kief

Is it...according to the forums, cars are to arrive next month?

I read his words not as:

"It's about to be canceled before it gets off the ground"

but as:

"Based on early results, they might not make their money back"

Just my take.