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      08-23-2020, 01:08 PM   #1
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G81 M3 GoFundMe for North America?

So we now know that the M3 touring is happening:

BMW M3 G81

BUT: we can't get it in NA!

Who here is willing to fund a drive to get BMWNA to bring the G81 touring to the US/Canada/(Mexico?)?

They may appreciate the free advertising, and who knows what can happen...
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So we now know that the M3 touring is happening:

BMW M3 G81

BUT: we can't get it in NA!

Who here is willing to fund a drive to get BMWNA to bring the G81 touring to the US/Canada/(Mexico?)?

They may appreciate the free advertising, and who knows what can happen...
Really the only way to get the car in the USA would be a put up or shut up strategy.... get a group of ppl together who will prepay for the cars in full(iron clad, no refunds) large enough to cover the USA certification costs so that BMW breaks even. And then sell it to both bmw dealers association and bmw na management

Easy
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How much are you all willing to pre-pay? 90k 100k?

The unknown variable is certification cost.

Might be easier to import a euro spec G81 on your own dime, probably would be the same cost accounting for paying for VAT, shipping, etc.

PS I'm happy with my US made X5M and German M4 vert.
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I think it will be easier to get it if there is a change in the marketing departement. Bmw is just stubborn in their anti-wagon mentality we would need somebody a bit more clever from Mercedes or Audi.
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So we now know that the M3 touring is happening:

BMW M3 G81

BUT: we can't get it in NA!

Who here is willing to fund a drive to get BMWNA to bring the G81 touring to the US/Canada/(Mexico?)?

They may appreciate the free advertising, and who knows what can happen...
G81 North America:

Mexico - Yes

Canada - Possible but difficult

US - Without regulatory change, $55M would be the absolute minimum to actually consider it.
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      08-23-2020, 02:38 PM   #6
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G81 North America:

Mexico - Yes

Canada - Possible but difficult

US - Without regulatory change, $55M would be the absolute minimum to actually consider it.
should be very easy! If consumers can manage to order 2750 units it will only be a 20k premium per car
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G81 North America:

Mexico - Yes

Canada - Possible but difficult

US - Without regulatory change, $55M would be the absolute minimum to actually consider it.
Thanks for the info.

$55M is crazy high - that's not going to happen!

I'd be willing to pay $5k premium above the price of a sedan, maybe $10k at most. Even at my high end, I don't think BMWNA will ever sell 5,500 G81 M3s before the end of production.
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Thanks for the info.

$55M is crazy high - that's not going to happen!

I'd be willing to pay $5k premium above the price of a sedan, maybe $10k at most. Even at my high end, I don't think BMWNA will ever sell 5,500 G81 M3s before the end of production.
G81 is restricted to 1000 units.
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I would love a G81 Touring/6MT, but I trust lemetier that it is not happening.

But, I do think a Cadillac CT5-V wagon *manual* could be a real possibility for the US. We shall see....

https://www.thedrive.com/news/33055/...gineering-boss
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G81 is restricted to 1000 units.
Any idea on 6MT for RHD markets for the G81?
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G81 is restricted to 1000 units.
1000 units worldwide? Crazy...
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Really the only way to get the car in the USA would be a put up or shut up strategy.... get a group of ppl together who will prepay for the cars in full(iron clad, no refunds) large enough to cover the USA certification costs so that BMW breaks even. And then sell it to both bmw dealers association and bmw na management

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G81 is restricted to 1000 units.
R&D budget must be low to recoup the cost from 1,000 units. Appears that parts will be from the G80 recycle bin. Probably will be offered in one variant only, 8AT MxDrive.
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R&D budget must be low to recoup the cost from 1,000 units. Appears that parts will be from the G80 recycle bin. Probably will be offered in one variant only, 8AT MxDrive.
I might be oversimplifying but I can't imagine it is a large amount of unique engineering... they have the benchmarks from the G80 so I would guess 2 major tracks of work.
-structural bracing to achieve same stiffness targets as M3 sedan, some of this is probably plug and play from the sedan program
-suspension rebalance to account for the different weight distro and load capacity of the wagon
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R&D budget must be low to recoup the cost from 1,000 units. Appears that parts will be from the G80 recycle bin. Probably will be offered in one variant only, 8AT MxDrive.
I wouldn't describe it that way myself. It's much easier to do compared to the two more recent proposals and there is just enough demand to justify it. 1000 units would make it the 2nd highest volume M Touring made.

Drivetrain isn't 100% finalized and this will be a more public development program than usual. 2 variants would be nice (MT RWD, and AT M xDrive).
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I might be oversimplifying but I can't imagine it is a large amount of unique engineering... they have the benchmarks from the G80 so I would guess 2 major tracks of work.
-structural bracing to achieve same stiffness targets as M3 sedan, some of this is probably plug and play from the sedan program
-suspension rebalance to account for the different weight distro and load capacity of the wagon
Rear Axle Carrier is no longer a factor. Touring has higher rigidity than sedan, and G86 development spills over as well.
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G81 North America:

Mexico - Yes

Canada - Possible but difficult

US - Without regulatory change, $55M would be the absolute minimum to actually consider it.
Figure 1K cars per year over four years and the math might work. Or look at is as a halo car like the RS6.

BTW I find the $55M in sales required a bit steep. They are building the car for Europe so it is just certification costs, there is no development. Drivetrains, body, etc all have to be built anyway. Merc has figured it out on the E63 despite them only selling a few hundred wagons per year. Audi has brought back the A6 Allroad and is bringing the RS6 in (only this version according to their management). I guess it depends on the margins, but I would expect they probably can certify it for less than $5M actual costs since a lot of the work will be completed as part of the M3 certification.
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Figure 1K cars per year over four years and the math might work. Or look at is as a halo car like the RS6.

BTW I find the $55M in sales required a bit steep. They are building the car for Europe so it is just certification costs, there is no development. Drivetrains, body, etc all have to be built anyway. Merc has figured it out on the E63 despite them only selling a few hundred wagons per year. Audi has brought back the A6 Allroad and is bringing the RS6 in (only this version according to their management). I guess it depends on the margins, but I would expect they probably can certify it for less than $5M actual costs since a lot of the work will be completed as part of the M3 certification.
RoW G2x Touring isn't compatible with US FMVSS.

E-Class Estate - Main Battery under the hood

A6 Avant - Main Battery under the hood

G21/81 - Main battery in luggage compartment which is part of the occupant compartment. This where the issues begin.

The closest comparison program for a G81 FMVSS compliant variant would be the Range Rover SVA Coupé. Had that gone through, total development cost was approx $115m, $90M of which would be covered by sales.
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Really the only way to get the car in the USA would be a put up or shut up strategy.... get a group of ppl together who will prepay for the cars in full(iron clad, no refunds) large enough to cover the USA certification costs so that BMW breaks even. And then sell it to both bmw dealers association and bmw na management

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Impossible to have non refundable deposits in most states. Not allowed legally.
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Impossible to have non refundable deposits in most states. Not allowed legally.
...sarcasm, maybe it didn't come through. tldr of this whole thread is the hurdles are impossibly high for an M3 wagon in the US
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