08-19-2020, 08:35 PM | #1 |
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Will the S58 get upgraded with 48V for the G8x?
Did anyone happen to ask if the car had the 48V mild hybrid system from the M440i? I think most of us guessed that it isn’t there but maybe it is and that’s why the press drives didn’t mention the added lag vs the F8X and S55 that has been observed by some X3M drivers?
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08-20-2020, 11:49 AM | #3 | |
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I’m torn about this system myself. I’m not there yet when it comes to BEVs but the torque fill of a 48V mild hybrid could be really nice. I suspect even the current low power BMW system can be implemented to really be felt at initial throttle application due to the instant TQ. The slightly soft tip-in of any FI car without electrical assistance could be replaced by an immediate more stout response. If the power assistance of the system can be M tuned solely for this reason the added weight of 40lbs or so placed low could be worth it for a much improved throttle response. That weight is similar to a sunroof which is almost impossible to notice and that’s in the worst possible location vs the mild hybrid weight sitting low. On the other hand the KERS system used in F1 was probably the least reliable and annoying part of the cars the first year so for track junkies it would take some convincing I’m sure. |
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08-20-2020, 08:42 PM | #5 |
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Intriguing...so some electrification embryo could be there with more to potentially come. This generation is shaping up to evolve more during it’s lifetime than what we are used to (we already know that AWD is coming). I always thought that would be great,if you got more or improved stuff ready, bring it. I know others feel different and feel cheated if they buy early and some goodies are introduced later.
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08-20-2020, 10:58 PM | #7 |
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I had assumed the 8AT ones would have a 48v mhev system. I wasn't sure about the 6MT though having that feature.
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It would be a major surprise if the M3 is the first BMW to get this but I you never know until you know...and now I’m not so sure. https://www.autocar.co.uk/car-news/i...nual-gearboxes |
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Referring to a Clutch by wire? I suppose smg /dsg has been doing this for a while now so the raw tech would exists, making it feel real... that would be hard
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08-21-2020, 12:24 AM | #12 | |
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Just like the throttle has been by wire the last generations. |
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I actually suspected my F80 had it for almost a year since the MT seemed almost impossible to fault |
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Actually this would hit on another earlier discussion I drove around driver assist tech and manual transmission cars, it would certainty make implementation more feasible in a manual if a computer could override the clutch |
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08-21-2020, 10:26 AM | #18 | |
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Seriously though, I suspect embargo since I’m sure BMW suspected some will notice and some likely did and further according to one of lemetier’s replies here there is also visible clue. Last edited by solstice; 08-21-2020 at 10:32 AM.. |
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To be clear, you are speaking theoretically, right? Or do actually mean to say that the G8x M3/M4 will have a clutch-by-wire system at launch?
Even future plans to adopt such technology would surprise me, to be honest. BMW doesn't seem to be committed to the manual transmission much longer. Only the M2, M3, and M4 will carry the torch once the F22/F23 end next year. It would not surprise me if the MT does not make it to the following generation of these products. Even mild hybrid technology would appear to have a short lifespan at BMW given what we know about their plans to prioritize PHEV/BEV drivetrains for the next generation of vehicles like the G70 7 Series, G60 5 Series, U11 X1, and the new X8. |
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As to this thread: I am thinking the M3 pure is pure, but down the road there is a plan for change when needed? Would the plan include components similar to the 992 and therefor suffer a similar weight penalty? |
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08-21-2020, 01:19 PM | #22 | |
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Some parts of the implementation by ZF I’m not sure I’d like in an M3 though. The part of shutting off the engine while sailing and then restart when giving throttle would bother me. |
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