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      03-03-2020, 08:52 PM   #199
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What a disappointment.

Looks like I'll be buying Mercedes from now on
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      03-03-2020, 09:02 PM   #200
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How can you make a car so ugly.....I mean you really must try hard. Who is the designer response for this fuck up...who signed off on it... Stevie Wonder ??
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      03-03-2020, 09:06 PM   #201
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      03-03-2020, 09:06 PM   #202
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I can't wait to drive one
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      03-03-2020, 09:08 PM   #203
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What a jumbled fzcking mess this thing is.

F80 will still depreciate like a rock. Performance should be awesome. But my wallet won't open for this thing. Actually makes me sad. It's the right size and performance and price for what I want but I just can't get in to the look.
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      03-03-2020, 09:16 PM   #204
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Wow, this is so ugly!!! Glad I kept my e92 M3.
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      03-03-2020, 09:18 PM   #205
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Recently posted hood:


That fake vent hood is just an abomination. I've been doing my best to give this car the benefit of the doubt, and don't hate the big grills. I've always felt like the grills were going to make it a car you needed to see in person to really appreciate the styling, but honestly that early 2000's fake vent mustang hood has fucked that all up. I really am not excited about this car and BMW's design language in general. Someone needs to take the damn pen away from Hooydonk, he is clearly drunk.
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      03-03-2020, 09:19 PM   #206
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Much better with some of the perspective restored.. I'm still on board with it and feel it'll look much better in person when one can take in the entire car with its details and wide stance.
Looks worse than the new m235 gran coupe
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      03-03-2020, 09:31 PM   #207
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Time to order the Merc C63. Just can't do this front end, and I've been driving BMW's for 25 years.
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      03-03-2020, 09:41 PM   #208
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Let your wallet do the talking .
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      03-03-2020, 09:41 PM   #209
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I can't believe how soft and Alfa looking does headlights are. Same as the leaked 4 series. They look odd together with such sharp oversized kidneys.
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      03-03-2020, 09:42 PM   #210
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Much better with some of the perspective restored.. I'm still on board with it and feel it'll look much better in person when one can take in the entire car with its details and wide stance.
You’re scaring me.
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      03-03-2020, 09:43 PM   #211
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Sales of the E65 were very good that they eclipsed sales of the E38 to make E65 the best selling 7er yet. It was hugely popular in Asia where it became the largest market.
The facelift for the 7er E65 actually came in early 2005 exactly half way through its Life Cycle. It was not facelifted early.

BMW Are no strangers to design controversy. And its malingned 2000's designs many which stand the test of time today.
The E85 Z4 is a good example. That car is perfect proportion wise and I am sorry that successive generations lose that seat-to-the-road feel and appearance E85 championed.
I really don't think it makes any sense to compare sales figures from prior versions of a model from the same manufacturer. Design typically does not drive significant sales variances from each chassis.

World economies and macroeconomic factors are what drove the increase. If you look at the same years, car sales were at their absolute peak across all brands. The controversial 7 was a precursor to the great recession, the bubble was being formed.

Making a comparison between percentage of market share for this model's competitors through each generation would make much more sense if trying to determine a particular model was more successful or less successful.

The big issue here is that with this radical design change, we are also heading towards a simultaneous market correction, and the brand's previous growth driver (China) is now being impacted the most in the current climate.

We have already experienced the largest YOY decline in vehicle sales (larger than the great recession), and that was during a tremendous time of economic growth (2017-2018). Compound that with the fact that we have had enormous market corrections in 2020, the fact that less people are buying cars, and that this design change seems very radical, we may not see the same results as we did with the controversial 7 series.

I think there are several factors in car sale trends that would not apply to the typical new M3/M4 buyer here, but I do think one factor that does apply is that cars have been more reliable than they have in the past, leading to longer holding periods.

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      03-03-2020, 09:49 PM   #212
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I think for the first time, there is no guarantee that objective aesthetics will improve with each new generation of BMW.

Like objectively, the difference between a good sculptor or painter and a very bad one.

The front of the new BMW looks, objectively, hideous. There is no continuity of lines, use of negative spaces, room to breathe in ratio, leading the eye, etc.

There are people who will buy it, people who cannot discern aesthetics. Like a Saudi prince who thinks a gold toilet is “class”. People who can not tell the difference between a Caravaggio and a Mondriaan.

But this is the second time in recent history that I have seen a new generation of car look worse than the previous.

It happened in the past, sure, but the new car design was obviously more refined, nuanced, impressive, wide, low, new and better than the previous, even if it had “ugly parts”.

This new car seems to be objectively uglier in total.

E89 - G29 all over again.
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      03-03-2020, 10:00 PM   #213
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Good lord let's pray that this isn't it! If so then it's the X3M for me...same engine...
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      03-03-2020, 10:15 PM   #214
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M3 looks way better than M4. m3 looks viable M4 looks like shit due to the grill
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      03-03-2020, 10:20 PM   #215
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What kind of picture is that? It looks like something that was taken in 1910.
It's been leaked via Bmw, this way it will make you believe someone leaked
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      03-03-2020, 10:20 PM   #216
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M3 looks way better than M4. m3 looks viable M4 looks like shit due to the grill
Huh?

They will look the same
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      03-03-2020, 10:22 PM   #217
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M3 looks way better than M4. m3 looks viable M4 looks like shit due to the grill
But they're going to have the same grille?
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      03-03-2020, 10:32 PM   #218
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But they're going to have the same grille?
Yes.

4-door M3 have shared the same front-end as the 2-door since the E9X.
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      03-03-2020, 10:35 PM   #219
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Looks worse than the new m235 gran coupe
I can now confirm that I won't be buying this gen M3.
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      03-03-2020, 11:23 PM   #220
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I can now confirm that I won't be buying this gen M3.
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