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      03-04-2020, 09:47 AM   #265
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I don't know what your definition of many is, but you must be getting your estimates from another forum.




The problem is, 90%< of owners just get these cars as daily drivers and don't track them. So their primary focus is appearance. Which this car is severely lacking.
It may be a small percentage of people that like it (i would estimate 20%), but its a large aggregate number. There is a better chance than not that it will sell to BMW's expectations.

Also, statistically I am discounting for the phenomenon I would describe as "forum hatred," in which everyone complains about nearly everything. This phenomena often doesn't translate to real-life experiences, the opinion of the general public (i.e., non enthusiast) or actual sales dollars.

I disagree and love the way the car looks (so far). However, I will not pass judgement until I can see the car in it's entirety.
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      03-04-2020, 10:04 AM   #266
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Here >90%. Since that's what you're focused on in this entire thread.

There are no definitive statistics for something this specific. But it doesn't take a genius to extrapolate:

1- it's a 4 door sedan with almost as many convenience features as an S class.

2- it's meant for the road first, track second.

3- even those that do track it, most go once or twice a year average. Still not justifying a hideous car.

4- its competitors are the RS4/5, C63, Quadrifoglio.

5- other competitors managed to design beautiful cars while focusing on performance, including BMW (M8).

6- owners that track their cars are commonly enthusiasts, which are most likely forum members. So you can most likely gauge the percentage of owners that track the car just from this forum.

7- if you like the design, that's great. But most on here do not and you need to respect that. If you don't want negative feedback then don't post shit on a PUBLIC forum.
Most of your points are fair. Appearances are subjective (whereas performance is not) , and each of us are enthusiasts with very strong opinions. People have the right to make decisions about the appearance of a car without ever seeing it in its entirety. And other people (myself) have the right to judge them for making decisions based on grainy, and leaked images of a portion of the car.

WHERE I TAKE ISSUE is with the histrionics of certain members who say "100% the designers of BMW are not proud of this," or other such ridiculous statements.
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      03-04-2020, 10:05 AM   #267
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Can someone please photoshop a Weber Grill onto the front of this thing please.

Oh wait nevermind....
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Hmmm ?

I don't want to like it, but I'm sure the final product will be okay...
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THIS IS A FACT... SOME PEOPLE ARE JUST NOT GOOD WITH CHANGE.
I hated the e92 m3 when it came out, since I owned an e36 M3. it was too much change, but now I own one... go figure...
Or.

As with the Edsel, the Aztek, the Pacer ... The G8x joins the VW Phaeton and Bangle Butt as one of Europe's worst auto fails. With the depreciation to match.

Anybody that takes a loan or pays cash is out of their mind.
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Ironically enough it looks fake but it's real...
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It may be the worlds worst photo but I think it's real.

Played around in photoshop and it's all there. Grilles are there, weird bonnet recesses are there, hole for the toeing eye is even there.

I'd put money on it...

Attachment 2251932

You know what, I actually like it. I know I flip flop, but this one is decent, and I think in person it will look good.
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I am clinging to the slim hope that both of the leaked photos have been taken from oblique angles with cameras that have seriously distorting fish-eye or wide lenses. No matter how much you photoshop them you're not going to correct for the distortions.

I know... it's a slim hope. But just think how many truly awful selfies you've seen taken on phone cameras and cross your fingers until you see a shot from a professional photographer.

TBH, I actually sort of liked the 4 concept, and expected the M4 to improve on that, but I was totally underwhelmed the production line photos - front and rear - and I *really* don't like the look of those hood scoops. Plus, for me this car will need to be super-good looking to compensate for the probably awful ZF8 transmission.
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So glad I managed to find a new one of these and snag it a week ago. That thing is hideous!!
Congrats! Nice car. It's premature to call the g80 hideous though, since you haven't seen a finished production example yet.
That's like saying you don't know that Rosie O'Donnell doesn't look good in a bikini because you haven't seen her in one yet.
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Most of your points are fair. Appearances are subjective (whereas performance is not) , and each of us are enthusiasts with very strong opinions. People have the right to make decisions about the appearance of a car without ever seeing it in its entirety. And other people (myself) have the right to judge them for making decisions based on grainy, and leaked images of a portion of the car.

WHERE I TAKE ISSUE is with the histrionics of certain members who say "100% the designers of BMW are not proud of this," or other such ridiculous statements.
....perhaps not 100%, we will concede that point, theres always 1!

And being that internally the grilles are called the “gates of hell” by the product teams (as SCOTT points out gleefully) ,

im not sure how much design love there really is. But, all that matters is what the Exec board thinks and they believe it will be successful.

Ugly, but perhaps still successful
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This way you're not using definitive figures without reference, and you don't have to worry about using the inequality sign incorrectly.

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all that matters is what the Exec board thinks and they believe it will be successful.
and if that belief is because of China, those execs better start hoping for quick control of covid-19, because China has already lost at least a quarter of sales ...
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I hope the chief designer gets let go and we get a better design team
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THIS IS A FACT... SOME PEOPLE ARE JUST NOT GOOD WITH CHANGE.
I hated the e92 m3 when it came out, since I owned an e36 M3. it was too much change, but now I own one... go figure...
Or.

As with the Edsel, the Aztek, the Pacer ... The G8x joins the VW Phaeton and Bangle Butt as one of Europe's worst auto fails. With the depreciation to match.

Anybody that takes a loan or pays cash is out of their mind.
 VW Phaeton was a Bentley at a fraction of the cost.
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If the car regained some of the magic that was lost when entering the EPS and FI era and has the reliability of the G8X it would have to be really ugly to pass up on.

My F80 could be the most durable and reliable car I’ve owned and that include low tech Japanese SUVs. It’s six years old now and it feels mechanically as new and nothing has broken, not a thing. Usually a Xenon give up around this time at least but nothing. It never need an additional turn of the starter motor whether it’s been raining for a month or it’s hovering up or down around freezing. And this car was one of the first built. As for maintenance of wear items other than oil stuff, I put on new tires and changed rear brake pads. That’s it and it’s my daily all year around.

When someone says hard pass due to a new grill design I’m shaking my head
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Let's wait and see what we think of it. My hunch is that it will grow on you....hopefully!
Yes, it will grow on us like a moldy fungus. Thanks but I'd rather have it not grow on me and just appreciate the plentiful good designs that are already out there that needed no fungal overgrowth.
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I think it looks dope.
The leaked new 4 looks good, and this adds the aero to it.

People will start warming up to it.
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I hope the chief designer gets let go and we get a better design team
Well BMW's CEO now has a handy reason to fire him - daring handshake denial
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Hard to say how well this will sell because manufacturers can provide incentives to get anything off the lot. Question is, will the G8x get some of the biggest ever discounts for a BMW? I think this thing looks hideous and may be in need of serious plastic surgery on the front end. If they think they'll move them near MSRP, game over for BMW.
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Well BMW's CEO now has a handy reason to fire him - ostentatious handshake denial
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If the car regained some of the magic that was lost when entering the EPS and FI era and has the reliability of the G8X it would have to be really ugly to pass up on.


When someone says hard pass due to a new grill design I’m shaking my head
Knowing what we know already, how in your mind could it possibly regain some of the old magic? Just because of higher HP?

My F80 was also an absolute joy to drive each and every day and was the pinnacle in many ways of M ownership, even faster and easier to drive than my former S85 E63.

However, im not saying, and not sure everyone (anyone) is saying hard pass JUST because its BUTT ugly, its actually all of the above and more and the last straw is the ugly design.

What i mean is, those of us that have followed and enjoyed for decades the offerings from M have finally has enough. First it was the move away from MT only M cars. Then the wannaB an M but never will be \\\M SUVs came about. Then FI...Then came EPS...Then came an M3 bigger than an E39 M5.

Now you will have to deal with all wheel drive on an M3 and a SLUSHBOX it appears for the most powerful versions of the new M3 - And yup... another thing to deal with - multi levels of M3s for peps to fight over which is the “real” M (and no comparison to the very scare CSLs of the past that were true strippers with performance as the focus and not generally for sale in the US).
And ofcourse, the car has gotten so damn big and heavy that one can hardly call this an M3, its nowhere near the size and nimbleness of what the small car M was all about.

So, its not at all just because of the bucktooth bandit grilles, but in fact the totality of the fall from grace that M has done to now offer something that by 90+% of the biased enthusiasts and their ilk all believe to be ugly, in addition to changing each and every enjoyable attribute from the cars previously known as the M3 into a bland, snout nose, bloated car with very little linkage to the history that made it at all possible.

Thats why its a hard pass.
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