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      10-01-2022, 10:39 AM   #67
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So I've been thinking about the reviews and this car a lot. It reminds me of the reviews we saw back in 2011 for the Cayman R. The weight of expectation because the car carried the R badge was ridiculous but the car itself was sweet. A sensational bit of kit, that for me was a great road car and brilliant on track.

This car is suffering from being named CSL, but if you read all of the reviews so far, it's clear that this is a genuinely brilliant car. It doesn't break your back while getting to the track, you can enjoy it on the track and it's everyday usable.

The hate this car gets for looks is bizarre. It really looks fine IRL. The new 992 GT3 looks like it's try to puke a smaller car out of the front of it but nobody mentions that and to be fair I think it's more than bearable too!
A CSL badge isn't to be taken lightly for sure. The CSL badge is supposed to be an unquestioned success. History is on the line with a CSL. You pay for it's badge and in this case you pay handsomely. You expect it to blow your away. 50th anniversary car. Did it? I'm sure the owners will say yes. It will be interesting to see how many deals fall through at over MSRP now. MSRP is the right price for this car. It will be interesting to see where she lands price wise in 4 years time.

Looks are always subjective for sure. I don't mind the looks, I do mind the size of cars in general these days. I think the 992 GT3 looks more offensive then this car. But the size of both cars just made me buy a 964 and a GT4 RS.

We can never go back in time and these manufacturers are working within the lines they are dealt. I just don't like where the lines are headed.

The last great playful and sized right M car IMO is the M2 CS and the last great 911 IMO is the 991.2 GT3 Touring. I am lucky enough to own them both. Yes I'm biased

But fear not, when we see the M4 CSL on the road we will stare and ask questions and most likely enjoy what we have just seen. We get to enjoy but don't have to pay for the right to do so.

It's a great effort by BMW and I applaud them for it. I might have changed a few things for sure but can't please everyone.
Great post! Cars are going in the wrong direction for me too! But I genuinely believe that this car has the potential to nail the brief that I want it to fulfil.
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Joe Achilles shares his thoughts on the M4 CSL.

Great review! Makes me think I'll really like it!
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Fortunately BMW has been ignoring the steering wheel complaints of these journalists otherwise we'd have this if folks like Achilles had their way
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More CSL / 992 GT3 fun. I'm guessing this is bmw_m_collector but don't know for sure.

Great video. The strengths of both cars are on display. CSL’s straight line punch, GT3’s ultimate composure in corners. Would love to see this again with the GT3 in front.
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More CSL / 992 GT3 fun. I'm guessing this is bmw_m_collector but don't know for sure.
The one from bmw_m_collector was featured in the AutoTopNL walkaround/Autobahn video and had a german license plate; this one does not (UK plate? not sure, but it's not german).
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M3 CS will be the car that makes more sense for more people.
I believe I read that new M3 CS will also be extremely limited as well. We can also assume a future M2 CSL will also be hard to obtain an allocation for.
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I believe I read that new M3 CS will also be extremely limited as well. We can also assume a future M2 CSL will also be hard to obtain an allocation for.
What makes you think there will be a G87CSL?
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M3 CS will be the car that makes more sense for more people.
I believe I read that new M3 CS will also be extremely limited as well. We can also assume a future M2 CSL will also be hard to obtain an allocation for.
What makes you think there will be a G87CSL?
I doubt there will be. Won't the new M2 be a lot heavier than the old one?
In which case they would have done a CSL with the last one.
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BMW changing the C in CSL from it's original "Coupe" to "Competition" indicates to me they're preparing for a broad marketing bastardization of the designation. I hope that is not the case.
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If not a G87 M2 CSL, then a G87 M2 CS. The point being very hard to get an allocation for.
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Nah if you really want one, should be able to get it.
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I doubt there will be. Won't the new M2 be a lot heavier than the old one?
In which case they would have done a CSL with the last one.
I don't think that's how it works.

The current thinking at M seems to be: approx. 50kg weight reduction -> CS. And approx 100kg weight reduction -> CSL (of course, plus all the other stuff).

So it's relative to the (base M) car's weight, not some "if it is < 1650 kg, it's a CSL" total weight thing.

The F87 M2 is complicated due to the Competition having a different engine for emissions regulations and the F87 M2 Competition was apparently originally supposed to be a CS, while a CSL was planned that would ultimately become the CS. But those plans were shattered when they had to replace the base model with an S55 engine based car so both models had to come down one step in the ladder.
See here: https://f87.bimmerpost.com/forums/sh...2&postcount=25
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More CSL / 992 GT3 fun. I'm guessing this is bmw_m_collector but don't know for sure.

They both look like a lot of fun! The GT3 definitely had the measure of the CSL on track - but on the straights the CSL is ballistic!
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