[gs1403]

Originally Posted by m3number86

*looks at e9x/f8x lci…..still look good
*looks at g8x….wtf is this ugly ass social media vehicle

what's a social media vehicle?

[G30M]

Originally Posted by Besharaf

Haha. I had a B8.5 and the supercharger was freaking fun, the throttle response was second to none. And it sounded like a Wookie/GTR hybrid with the AWE.

oh you're making me hurt.

the B&O was orgasmic.

the Sport diff actually sends the rear end sideways even when you drive and corner normally (was following behind with wife driving it)

[BGM-M3COMP]

Hmmm. So hopefully the M5 will still retain that amazing V8 in a couple of years, if not then back into the G80 comp i go with x-drive!

[mapster37]

Finally saw the 2023 instrument cluster/idrive update

I think i prefer the look of the molded dash with separate cluster and idrive screens

[Besharaf]

Originally Posted by G80M4

oh you're making me hurt.

the B&O was orgasmic.

the Sport diff actually sends the rear end sideways even when you drive and corner normally (was following behind with wife driving it)

I'm hoping the HK system is comparable

[antzcrashing]

Does 03/24 LCI apply to M3 and M4?

[MachinesWithSouls]

Originally Posted by gs1403

what's a social media vehicle?

That's why the nose is so big. It's BMWs first SMV, or social media vehicle. As it drives by it sucks up little hearts.

[themnmd]

Originally Posted by Besharaf

I hope the cosmetic changes won't be too drastic

Like a bigger grill? Should we start a grill thread again? JK!

[m3number86]

Originally Posted by MachinesWithSouls

Oh don't worry, in one of those old M3s, you wouldn't see the front for very long.

Here's another pic in case you missed the first.

How fast are you on track? You might not even see the front of a miata if you dont so i dont put any weight on that lmao


I like the g80 rear. Its very nice.

The g82 i dont even like the rear.

The g83…..my god its horrendous.

[M3X_TB2]

Originally Posted by Besharaf

I'm hoping the HK system is comparable

I just came from a 2021 Audi S5 prestige(b9.5) with the B&O system and honestly the HK with the ID8 upgrades is better than the the B&O in the Audi by quite a bit using the same songs as references and everything.

[G30M]

Originally Posted by M3X_TB2

I just came from a 2021 Audi S5 prestige(b9.5) with the B&O system and honestly the HK with the ID8 upgrades is better than the the B&O in the Audi by quite a bit using the same songs as references and everything.

wait - ID8 has HK upgrades?

[dezzracer]

Originally Posted by wtwo3

Looks like I'll be ordering myself a 2027 G80 6MT (2nd G80.... need to get my 2023 first) as one final hurrah before I'm forced into an EV. Wonder how long I can keep it reliably... I only drive maybe 6-7k miles a year.

No way will our power grid systems have the capability to charge every EV (if every driver has one) by 2027. That's a huge problem.

Here's the way a look at this depressing bullshit. 95 % of drivers out there just want to get from point A to B. Yea they wash their cars and want to look cool and hip in them but they don't REALLY care about cars like we do or what energy source pushes their cars around, as long long as they roll. Let them have their EVs and leave us 5 percenters the fuk alone to enjoy our ICE engines.

I believe Performance auto companies like BMW are going to continue to develop ICE engines to get incredible MPG along with the combustion HP we crave. Perhaps they may be hybrids and that's OK with me. Don't give up just yet. Fight these climate zealots pushing EVs down our throats.

[Nahlem]

Originally Posted by dezzracer

No way will our power grid systems have the capability to charge every EV (if every driver has one) by 2027. That's a huge problem.

Here's the way a look at this depressing bullshit. 95 % of drivers out there just want to get from point A to B. Yea they wash their cars and want to look cool and hip in them but they don't REALLY care about cars like we do or what energy source pushes their cars around, as long long as they roll. Let them have their EVs and leave us 5 percenters the fuk alone to enjoy our ICE engines.

I believe Performance auto companies like BMW are going to continue to develop ICE engines to get incredible MPG along with the combustion HP we crave. Perhaps they may be hybrids and that's OK with me. Don't give up just yet. Fight these climate zealots pushing EVs down our throats.

As with many myths surrounding EVs, our power grid system are able to handle EV's just fine this has been debunked so many times, It simple as not everyone charges nor ever will at the same time and not everyone will plug in at the same time please stop spreading this myth, it ain't correct. Just as our plumping systems are able to handle our stuff because not everyone flushes their toilets at the same time we won't see overflown sewages systems. So please stop that myth already.

As long as ICE engines produces emissions from the tailpipe then no there is no future for them if there was a way to have zero emissions from ICE engines we would have reached that now, but we haven't the development of ICE cars is simple as they can't be or are not worth to develop for the last % of mpg or emissions. The cost/benefit is not worth it so EVs it is.

Nor will there in our near future be a time where there is no ICE cars, So don't worry about that the ICE cars will be around for probably yours and mine lifetime. But they won't be developed any more or sold new thats a total different thing.

Not everyone who drives an EV is a climate zealot alright so don't talk stupid because thats what comments like that is.

I live in a town where Northvolt has there main development centre and have met the people that work there around town and in bars, and the next coming 25 years we will see newer lighter materials in battery's that will also double the range every 3-5 year so we are talking about cars with at least 900-1500 km in one charge in our lifetime with charging in less then 10 minutes.

So yeah we are seeing progress and thank goodness for that. Stagnation is dangerous and should be avoided at all cost.

[MPower9525]

Originally Posted by M3X_TB2

I just came from a 2021 Audi S5 prestige(b9.5) with the B&O system and honestly the HK with the ID8 upgrades is better than the the B&O in the Audi by quite a bit using the same songs as references and everything.

Trading in my 2018 S4 Prestige with the B&O for a '23 M3CX and have been reading everywhere that the HK system sucks so I'm glad to hear you think it's an upgrade!

[SeanWRT]

Originally Posted by dezzracer

No way will our power grid systems have the capability to charge every EV (if every driver has one) by 2027. That's a huge problem.

Here's the way a look at this depressing bullshit. 95 % of drivers out there just want to get from point A to B. Yea they wash their cars and want to look cool and hip in them but they don't REALLY care about cars like we do or what energy source pushes their cars around, as long long as they roll. Let them have their EVs and leave us 5 percenters the fuk alone to enjoy our ICE engines.

I believe Performance auto companies like BMW are going to continue to develop ICE engines to get incredible MPG along with the combustion HP we crave. Perhaps they may be hybrids and that's OK with me. Don't give up just yet. Fight these climate zealots pushing EVs down our throats.

BMW would let go of that 5% business.

[JK479]

Originally Posted by vj123

BMW cannot make enough of these to meet the current market demand. With the aforesaid reason and also the design language used in G70 and G07 LCI, its highly unlikely that BMW is going to mellow down the front end design.

Once next generation is released with a hybrid powertrain, people are going move on to the next reason to complain and look back at this platform.

True on demand but same can be said of Honda's Civic. Demand for anything is high.

Who knows truly what the market demand would be if we weren't in a crunch…

[vj123]

Originally Posted by JK479

True on demand but same can be said of Honda's Civic. Demand for anything is high.

Who knows truly what the market demand would be if we weren't in a crunch…

I shared my thoughts to a similar question earlier in this thread.

My comment was not directed to dealer inventory shortage in the past years. With the next generation rumored to have a hybrid powertrain and G80/2 being one of the very few vehicles having manuals in a performance sedan, this platform has attracted plenty of new buyers and this has been recorded in the poll which i shared earlier.

[vj123]

Originally Posted by MachinesWithSouls

Oh don't worry, in one of those old M3s, you wouldn't see the front for very long.

Here's another pic in case you missed the first.

Here is my share of the fronts as well.

[JK479]

Originally Posted by vj123

I shared my thoughts to a similar question earlier in this thread.

My comment was not directed to dealer inventory shortage in the past years. With the next generation rumored to have a hybrid powertrain and G80/2 being one of the very few vehicles having manuals in a performance sedan, this platform has attracted plenty of new buyers and this has been recorded in the poll which i shared earlier.

Totally hear you. But let me ask you this- is any automaker striving for upgrades when they can't even source chips for the current options? Are they making huge strides to differentiate for sales position when all allotments they can possibly manufacture sell.

The "free" market of selling a product hasn't rebounded since COVID hit.

Not trying to age myself- but in 2009 I was able to wrangle around 15 percent off a 911 I bought off the lot during the financial crisis.

Could m3's be lined up in 2023-2024 if we hit a depression. Nope- car makers are ahead of this thing…

[bri1042]

I'll hit 18 months with my car at the end of next week. It's already hard to remember how loud the "do not do this" voice was in my head during the 3 days between signing the papers and picking up the car once the sales embargo was lifted. I'm so thankful I didn't listen to that voice as I've never had this satisfying of an ownership experience in 35 years of owning cars.

Owning ANY F8x car involved ignoring the comments (in reviews and elsewhere) about how much BMW had lost the "M way" with the EPS and the turbos. Even now, pretty much every "best to worst M3" list either puts the F8x or the US-spec E36 at the bottom of the heap.

Mostly I think that's crap. It's not like the F8x BMW's existed in a vacuum. The AMG63's and the RS Audis were on EPS, too. NA engines were pretty much entirely gone for direct competitors to the F8x cars. A good best-to-worst list should be about how each model compared to its contemporary competition.

How good was the E30 vs the Merc W201 equivalent? How good was the E90 M3 vs. the C55 AMG of the time. Etc...

And those reviews never take into account safety, efficiency, or emissions. Which car would you rather be driving when an SUV runs a light and nails you? An E30 or an F8x? There's a good chance you'll never have an opinion again if you're in the E30. Alone on a track writing a review those things don't matter. Commuting or going shopping they certainly do. Do you remember the LA sky in the 80s? I do and none of us should want that to happen again. The number of ways a G8x or F8x is better than and E30 is vast, and those reasons never count in those stupid lists.

It's going to be hard to truly rate how successful the G8x is until we all get to see the new C63 with it's itty bitty engine and batteries and whatever Audi updates the current, out-of-date, RS4 and 5 to.

As for sales, we don't really have numbers. The new owners vs. repeat M owners poll wasn't scientific (but it is amusing). If it happens to be a lucky poll and it's accurate, it ISN'T a bad thing if this car is drawing in new-to-the-brand owners. Only drawing in people who had previously bought M's would be a diminishing audience.

Anyway, I understand why the F8x crowd could feel like the snout is a reason to take out years of having to defend their car choice on someone else. There were things that weren't good about my M2C that I defended and then I realized later that I wasn't doing so from a place of actual honesty. We all do it sometimes when we've spent a ton of money on a thingy.

Lets all just enjoy our cars and stopping hitting each other over the head.

[JerZBMerLife]

Originally Posted by MPower9525

Trading in my 2018 S4 Prestige with the B&O for a '23 M3CX and have been reading everywhere that the HK system sucks so I'm glad to hear you think it's an upgrade!

I have the HK in my X5 and I think it sucks. If I keep the car I'm going aftermarket with the system, if I go with new car I'm springing for the B+W system on next one. I had a 2018 S4 and the B&O system in that was light years better than the HK. My wife has the base Hifi in her X3 and I don't think the HK is much better but at $800 it is worth getting over hifi.

[stefan]

Maybe they'll split the headlights to continue their journey to looking like Hyundai. And maybe they'll turn the whole front dash into a long touchscreen to save money--I mean to modernize it.