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For the record, I drive a 1 wheel drive car, so I know exactly what I'm talking about, and if I could drive a 2WD, I would. Even more an AWD. As long as it is a manual. Which this isn't. Cheers |
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1. Your weight arguments are a bit off! 1st - The AWD version isn't 160lbs heavier, but <100 lbs. 2nd - the added weight is low down, your comparo with additional passengers is therefore off. 3rd - the comparo to a 240i, which has 150hp/150Nm less is also a bit off. -> the impact/noticeability of the added weight will be much smaller as in your examples. 2. Please take into account, that the "only 0.5s faster at track" to a great extent comes from the fact, that Sutcliff is a very good/skilled driver (most likely more skilled than 95% of ///M customers) AND he knows the track very well. The track time delta for a lesser/unexperienced driver would be much bigger! Many things you said remind me of my feelings towards AWD the last 20 years. I've to drive both versions ... but after having heared so many positive/pro AWD verdicts from respected reviewers, I do see some chances, that this time M did deliver a tech package, where I could lean towards AWD. |
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Just for refence, the difference in AWD weight vs RWD is roughly a full tank of gas.
15.59 gallons X 6.3 lb/gallon = ~98 lbs How many of can tell how full your gas tank is without looking at the gauge? The only reason to go RWD is you want 6MT. |
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I'd agree with this.
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Impressive to be sure. In England, with no manual transmission option, I'd go for the xDrive as well. Here in the US, I'd give up more than a second or two on a track to have a manual...
Overall I'm happy to see we are moving along from debating about the look of the grill to how the G8X actually drives and performs.
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A full tank of gas ruins the driving dynamics!!!!
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Oh just came here because finally someone mentioned the grills…nows my chance to chime in on those built in snow shovels…
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I'm quite aware of the difference.
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This thread is still going ? Geez - come on people. So much BS from the RWD folks talking about how fun the AWD isn't.
This morning I was grinning ear to ear while going sideways (controlled) rear wheels spinning, front wheels pulling me out and rocketing forward.
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My point is: You all are talking on here as if driving the AWD in RWD mode is the same as a true RWD car. It's not. Others will make assumptions about this. If you have AWD and drive in RWD all the time don't own it past the end of warranty. I'm sure it's a hoot. Pick your preference. AWD in this setup will not always be better, as others astutely noted.
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This discussion is a moot point, i doubt anyone will even drive regularly in 2WD mode unless they are drifting. AWD is faster. |
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You're the one who pointed out that M xDrive RWD doesn't support DSC, as though that matters.
You haven't been able to articulate why M xDrive RWD mode, which disconnects the front and sends 100% power to the rear axle, is any different from "true" RWD (beyond the 3% weight penalty). |
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Second point "Because math." It's not the weight of the bullet that kills, it's the velocity. Same reason the AWD gets beat by the RWD from a roll…except it is the weight.
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Source? I guess if the roll race is happening at 140 mph. But in videos I’ve seen, the RWD never reduces the gap with AWD until in the 140 mph range.
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I drive on a wet race track just about as much as I skateboard in the rain; so never. But I would buy the 4 door xdrive manual and full cage with 4 buckets
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