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      10-27-2021, 09:09 PM   #67
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The rolling race is much closer than I expected. Since the xDrive is running the carbon ceramics, do you guys think the lower unsprung weight helped it a lot?
Sprung and unsprung weight has the same effect on acceleration, but rotating mass however accentuate the impact. I'd say the CCB help offset ~15kg of the AWD 50kg weight gain.
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Still better results then unexpected, I didn't watch every second but are they one the same tires?
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Simply, the AWD G8X is better than the RWD G8x. But I wouldn't trade my RWD G82 for an AWD…
But, I may have an issue resisting the 2023 C8 ZO6 Corvette:
1. 760HP(most HP from a naturally aspirated V8 production engine in history)
2. Estimates 2.5 0-60
3. Estimated $90,000 price point

This may be my next vehicle of choice…🤔
If you find where we can buy this car for 90k please let me know. I will gladly pay for it and I won't even care what color it is lol.
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Simply, the AWD G8X is better than the RWD G8x. But I wouldn't trade my RWD G82 for an AWD…
But, I may have an issue resisting the 2023 C8 ZO6 Corvette:
1. 760HP(most HP from a naturally aspirated V8 production engine in history)
2. Estimates 2.5 0-60
3. Estimated $90,000 price point

This may be my next vehicle of choice…🤔
If you find where we can buy this car for 90k please let me know. I will gladly pay for it and I won't even care what color it is lol.
Data for you…
I'm well aware of what the msrp price is going to be. Being able to get one and getting one for msrp is going to be the challenge. I can't even buy a Shelby GT500 for msrp. I'm on a waiting list with 6 others with a dealership that won't charge above msrp. Who knows, maybe production will increase drastically by next year. Can't even get a base vette, getting the z06 is going to be difficult.
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Simply, the AWD G8X is better than the RWD G8x. But I wouldn't trade my RWD G82 for an AWD…
But, I may have an issue resisting the 2023 C8 ZO6 Corvette:
1. 760HP(most HP from a naturally aspirated V8 production engine in history)
2. Estimates 2.5 0-60
3. Estimated $90,000 price point

This may be my next vehicle of choice…🤔
If you find where we can buy this car for 90k please let me know. I will gladly pay for it and I won't even care what color it is lol.
Data for you…
I'm well aware of what the msrp price is going to be. Being able to get one and getting one for msrp is going to be the challenge. I can't even buy a Shelby GT500 for msrp. I'm on a waiting list with 6 others with a dealership that won't charge above msrp. Who knows, maybe production will increase drastically by next year. Can't even get a base vette, getting the z06 is going to be difficult.
Yea but the z06 is ugly af. Past models have been way better.
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      10-28-2021, 12:25 AM   #72
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Of course it does. It’s called confirmation bias. Dude owns a RWD.
I am not a 'Dude' but yes i own a RWD version.

Ofcourse when i wrote what i wrote about the AWD version being a waste of money and totally unneccesary i knew many would disagree with me.

It is just that the difference between the 2 cars is so small that in my opinion developing the 2 versions is a bit too much and therefore not really needed. Yes in the wet the difference is surely much larger, but for me that is also a non-issue because i think that no-one should do full power accelerations in the wet with cars this powerful.

But one could ofcourse also say that BMW should have just developed only the AWD version, being the better car of the both if one looks at it only by numbers and purely scientifically.......

But for me : this is likely the last real M3 (real meaning petrol powered only) in a long tradition of all RWD M3's, and the improvement the AWD brings is not large enough to switch from RWD......

So i still think that developing a AWD was perhaps a bit unneeded....

But if my RWD G80 would get stolen tomorrow and i needed to order a new one i would likely order a AWD one.
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It really shined a light on how unnecessary the CCB's are for every day stopping power.
CCBs are really a bling factor more than anything but I still want them…as I patiently wait for my allocation.😓
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With physics being physics, the advantage of M3 AWD with proper snow tires is equally appealing for drivers in winter climates.

Both cars are superbly engineered.
I agree. Both cars are superbly engineered in all regards. A car that isn't quicker until about 120+ doesn't appeal to me much. I'd much rather take the heavier AWD car & enjoy it all year round.
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Think the only real difference is weight & the RWD is only RWD. Seems like the AWD is the best of both worlds, a bit heavier but being able to run as both an AWD & RWD car.
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Yes weight. The most important factor in 0-60 and quarter mile. Its why those almost 1000 hp hellcats are not really that fast. With 471hp and 503 torque in my Z. I wonder what i can run if tested. Maybe oversized tires for that test. Car only really grips on hot day. Thats why awd is a must in colder climate. I am debating getting an M3 awd myself, but for a few sheckles more M5 all the way. If the corvette market returns to normal thats on the list.
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Yes weight. The most important factor in 0-60 and quarter mile. Its why those almost 1000 hp hellcats are not really that fast.
Weight is important but if it was the only factor, as you claim, how does a Plaid run a 1.9 and sub 10 second 1/4 if it weighs about the same as the hellcat?
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electric. instant torque. Way different. Cant compare electric to petrol.
And yes electric is way better for 0-60. Buy a tesla roadster and rule the road. But performance has nothing to do with 0-60. Hellcat on a road course is laughable. You can have Nascar and Drag Racing. I will take Formula 1 anyday. Getting off subject. Warm climate regular M3 cold climate AWD.
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Motor Trend tested the new Tesla. 9.25 1/4--faster they've ever tested. 1.98 0-60, 1000+ hp. Still does nothing for me.
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Unsprung weight does not affect acceleration


BTW, Love the TT!
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The point is that there's no difference between sprung and unsprung weight from an acceleration perspective. I edited my post for clarity.

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Simply, the AWD G8X is better than the RWD G8x. But I wouldn't trade my RWD G82 for an AWD…
But, I may have an issue resisting the 2023 C8 ZO6 Corvette:
1. 760HP(most HP from a naturally aspirated V8 production engine in history)
2. Estimates 2.5 0-60
3. Estimated $90,000 price point

This may be my next vehicle of choice…🤔
If you find where we can buy this car for 90k please let me know. I will gladly pay for it and I won't even care what color it is lol.
Data for you…
I'm well aware of what the msrp price is going to be. Being able to get one and getting one for msrp is going to be the challenge. I can't even buy a Shelby GT500 for msrp. I'm on a waiting list with 6 others with a dealership that won't charge above msrp. Who knows, maybe production will increase drastically by next year. Can't even get a base vette, getting the z06 is going to be difficult.
Yea but the z06 is ugly af. Past models have been way better.
Check the video's…the new 2023 ZO6 is Beautiful!!
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I wish they could do a round with xdrive in the rwd mode.
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There is no wrong decision. Just flip a coin and let this decide between AWD and RWD
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Think the only real difference is weight & the RWD is only RWD. Seems like the AWD is the best of both worlds, a bit heavier but being able to run as both an AWD & RWD car.
Put yourself on a diet and swap out everything for the carbon stuff, and the weight difference becomes negligible.
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Simply, the AWD G8X is better than the RWD G8x. But I wouldn't trade my RWD G82 for an AWD…
But, I may have an issue resisting the 2023 C8 ZO6 Corvette:
1. 760HP(most HP from a naturally aspirated V8 production engine in history)
2. Estimates 2.5 0-60
3. Estimated $90,000 price point

This may be my next vehicle of choice…🤔
If you find where we can buy this car for 90k please let me know. I will gladly pay for it and I won't even care what color it is lol.
Data for you…
I'm well aware of what the msrp price is going to be. Being able to get one and getting one for msrp is going to be the challenge. I can't even buy a Shelby GT500 for msrp. I'm on a waiting list with 6 others with a dealership that won't charge above msrp. Who knows, maybe production will increase drastically by next year. Can't even get a base vette, getting the z06 is going to be difficult.
Yea but the z06 is ugly af. Past models have been way better.
Seems many people had this opinion on the new G cars? Selling like crazy. Not sure what your opinion on the looks have to do with anything
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There is no wrong decision. Just flip a coin and let this decide between AWD and RWD
There's no wrong decision if $4k is the difference between someone getting an M4 or not at all. RWD is better than no M4 I guess. If someone can swing the $4k and they don't, in 99% of cases, that is the wrong decision.

If there was no difference between the RWD and AWD, BMW wouldn't make 2 models. And they wouldn't be selling all their higher end models (M5, M8) as AWD only.
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There's no wrong decision if $4k is the difference between someone getting an M4 or not at all. RWD is better than no M4 I guess. If someone can swing the $4k and they don't, in 99% of cases, that is the wrong decision.

If there was no difference between the RWD and AWD, BMW wouldn't make 2 models. And they wouldn't be selling all their higher end models (M5, M8) as AWD only.
The lower pricing opens the car to more people & maybe BMW sells a few more cars. Not a bad plan.
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