[curtdragon]

Originally Posted by G MONEY

All about traction. A 1400 AWHP car will be clicking 8 second runs off

Yeah not sure what that car was actually set up for. It also sounded a bit weird halfway through like it was struggling but could have been the editing of the video

[Limegrntaln]

Originally Posted by curtdragon

Yeah not sure what that car was actually set up for. It also sounded a bit weird halfway through like it was struggling but could have been the editing of the video

The car is a manual, and that's Randy trying to manipulate the throttle and backpedal to get traction. Once he finally does, it's a rocket.

[ominousM4]

They should have put that MK4 Supra up against the Drift Brothers G82 M4.

[curtdragon]

Originally Posted by ominousM4

They should have put that MK4 Supra up against the Drift Brothers G82 M4.

Links of this car?

[ominousM4]

Originally Posted by curtdragon

Links of this car?

Look up Red Bull Drift Brothers G82 M4. 1000HP

[Limegrntaln]

Originally Posted by curtdragon

Links of this car?

[MachinesWithSouls]

Originally Posted by Germanauto

Haven't driven the IS500, but the new IS350s I've autocrossed have remarkably lazy handling. Slow unresponsive steering and transmission, top heavy chassis at the limits, ancient interior. I'd imagine it's the same story for the 500.

Literally the only selling point is the V8.

I got excited when I saw the concept, and the V8 does sound good but, it's not nearly enough.

[Germanauto]

Originally Posted by MachinesWithSouls

I got excited when I saw the concept, and the V8 does sound good but, it's not nearly enough.

Definitely. The M340s I've autocrossed just run circles around the IS in every way imaginable. Handling, acceleration, transmission performance, interior, tech, etc. I'd say the Lexus has a little more road texture feel through the steering but it's whatever.

I had a Lexus for 6 yrs so I'm well aware of the benefits of these cars. They are endearing in their own way. I certainly respect the IS500 and wouldn't knock anybody for buying it or any other soulful ICE car.

[E63M6_G42M240i]

Funny thing is a lightly massaged stage 1 m240i will run 3.0 0-60 and 11.3 at 123 in 1/4 plus drive in comfort as a daily. Cost? Well under $60k.

[Limegrntaln]

Originally Posted by E63M6_G42M240i

Funny thing is a lightly massaged stage 1 m240i will run 3.0 0-60 and 11.3 at 123 in 1/4 plus drive in comfort as a daily. Cost? Well under $60k.

Funny thing is, G8X with a little tweaking, runs a 9.87 @ 141. Basic mods and an e50 blend.

And stock to stock, the xDrive G82, runs a 7:28:57 on the ring, to a 7:58:59 in the M240. xDrive price $80,800.

[E63M6_G42M240i]

Originally Posted by Limegrntaln

Funny thing is, G8X with a little tweaking, runs a 9.87 @ 141. Basic mods and an e50 blend.

And stock to stock, the xDrive G82, runs a 7:28:57 on the ring, to a 7:58:59 in the M240. xDrive price $80,800.

I'm not comparing a modded G8x m3/4 to a G42 M240i brother. No need for sarcasm. My point is just with basic mods you're well under $20k cheaper with the G42 AND that not including E85 in the tank. Put E85 in and the G42 may be faster in 0-60 and 1/4. Furthermore in case you are unaware, you can't touch a G8x m3/4 XDrive (that's what was driven in this video) for less than $85k and if you go to a dealer or private party it's even more, sometimes $100k, so your price is inaccurate and if you want to compare base price then the g42 m240i is $49k so $30+ grand less. Bottom line, the S58 has more potential than the B58 stock but physics is physics a G8x m3/4 xdrive is also heavier than the G42. Now on the road course you are correct, although you are comparing stock to stock which I never did. I think when the G87 M2 is released next month all the G8x m3/4 vehicles (performance wise) will be overvalued. Same base motor in a lighter smaller package, but the Gx m3/m4 will have more interior room

[Limegrntaln]

Originally Posted by E63M6_G42M240i

I'm not comparing a modded G8x to a G42 M240i brother. No need for sarcasm. My point is just with basic mods you're well under $20k cheaper with the G42 AND that not including E85 in the tank. Put E85 in and the G42 may be faster in 0-60 and 1/4. Furthermore in case you are unaware, you can't touch a G8x XDrive (that's what was driven in this video) for less than $85k and if you go to a dealer or private party it's even more, sometimes $100k, so your price is inaccurate. Bottom line, the S58 has more potential than the B58 stock but physics is physics a G8x xdrive is also heavier than the G42. Now on the road course you are somewhat correct although I believe that Nurburgring time was the M4 CSL which is three times the price of the G42. You better believe when the G87 M2 is released next month all the G8x vehicles Performance wise will be overvalued. Same base motor in a lighter smaller package bye bye. Don't worry you'll still have a nice car 😝

Referring to this video here. 7:28 is the actual G82 xDrive. Same car as mine. And my buddy just picked up his G80 xDrive and the only option he specd was white with laser lights. Black interior. And paid $81,800. In US dollars. MSRP can still be found, if you order. The CSL was a much faster 7:15 on the short track and a 7:20 on the long.

Second, the G87 will likely be a detuned 450hp and only come in RWD. I've still seen no source confirm, without a doubt, that it will be xDrive or come in xDrive. So, you're going to need to make up a lot of ground to even be close to a G82 xDrive. :

[E63M6_G42M240i]

Originally Posted by Limegrntaln

Referring to this video here. 7:28 is the actual G82 xDrive. Same car as mine. And my buddy just picked up his G80 xDrive and the only option he specd was white with laser lights. Black interior. And paid $81,800. In US dollars. MSRP can still be found, if you order. The CSL was a much faster 7:15 on the short track and a 7:20 on the long.

Second, the G87 will likely be a detuned 450hp and only come in RWD. I've still seen no source confirm, without a doubt, that it will be xDrive or come in xDrive. So, you're going to need to make up a lot of ground to even be close to a G82 xDrive. :

I'm not sure where you live but you can't touch an x drive m3/m4 here in the US for under $85k on any lot, the price is actually much closer even exceeding $100k. I know I tried. I encourage you to look. As for paying base price yes if you ORDER one then be prepared to wait a year maybe more especially for the G80. But the bottom line we're still talking over $30k less for the g42 m240i AND I was not comparing road course times which if you watched this video they didn't either. They drag raced and the G42 m240i represents the far better choice per dollar (in terms of drag racing) hands down. B58's are already north of 1,000 hp. As for the new M2 yes no xdrive as of yet but again same basic motor as yours that will easily matched with a tune. Your car has no more potential other than it being xdrive and since it's heavier and probably $20k more a poorer value. Now if you don't care about value and you just want the fastest, you buy either an M5 CS or M4 CSL better yet a Porsche 911 turbo or gt2/3

[Limegrntaln]

Originally Posted by E63M6_G42M240i

I'm not sure where you live but you can't touch an x drive m3/m4 here in the US for under $85k on any lot, the price is actually much closer even exceeding $100k. I know I tried. I encourage you to look. As for paying base price yes if you ORDER one then be prepared to wait a year maybe more especially for the G80. But the bottom line we're still talking over $30k less for the g42 m240i AND I was not comparing road course times which if you watched this video they didn't either they drag raced and the G42 m240i represents the far better choice per dollar in terms of drag racing hands down. B58's are already north of 1,000 hp. As for the new M2 yes no xdrive as of yet but again same basic motor as yours that will easily matched with a tune. Your car has no more potential other than it being xdrive and since it's heavier and probably $20k more a poorer value.

Ordered in Feb got it last week. $81,800 plus California tax. And even if it was a better car, I'd have to shoehorn my 6'3 ass into it. It looks a little like a Barbie car. A little pre pubescent liking. Like if you pour water on the trunk lid, it'll finish growing.

I don't know, I think it's "ok" and it may give the manual g80 a run for its money, but I don't think it's anything an xDrive competition needs to worry about. Is it even going to get the M drivers package, or is it limited to 155? I'm not even in the running, because my 22 xDrive, which I got at MSRP, last year, was $108k and in July, when I had 6,600 miles on it. I had a KBB trade in sheet with a $114k offer, which actually had a $625 credit for mileage, and I thought my mileage was on the higher side.

[E63M6_G42M240i]

Originally Posted by Limegrntaln

Ordered in Feb got it last week. $81,800 plus California tax. And even if it was a better car, I'd have to shoehorn my 6'3 ass into it. It looks a little like a Barbie car. A little pre pubescent liking. Like if you pour water on the trunk lid, it'll finish growing.

I don't know, I think it's "ok" and it may give the manual g80 a run for its money, but I don't think it's anything an xDrive competition needs to worry about. Is it even going to get the M drivers package, or is it limited to 155? I'm not even in the running, because my 22 xDrive, which I got at MSRP, last year, was $108k and in July, when I had 6,600 miles on it. I had a KBB trade in sheet with a $114k offer, which actually had a $625 credit for mileage, and I thought my mileage was on the higher side.

That's actually exceptional delivery time maybe because you ordered in Feb, I dont know, but if you look for a G80 they are few and far between on the lots and dealers know that marking up prices a minimum of 5k. I tried to buy a slightly used one at msrp and they wouldn't which made sense because they sold it 1-2 days later. So, I'd consider yourself fortunate. I just was unwilling to wait for what could easily be next year delivery. I still think the new M2 will represent the greatest RWD perform value of all bmw models.

[Buddym850icoupe]

Originally Posted by E63M6_G42M240i

I'm not sure where you live but you can't touch an x drive m3/m4 here in the US for under $85k on any lot, the price is actually much closer even exceeding $100k. I know I tried. I encourage you to look. As for paying base price yes if you ORDER one then be prepared to wait a year maybe more especially for the G80. But the bottom line we're still talking over $30k less for the g42 m240i AND I was not comparing road course times which if you watched this video they didn't either. They drag raced and the G42 m240i represents the far better choice per dollar (in terms of drag racing) hands down. B58's are already north of 1,000 hp. As for the new M2 yes no xdrive as of yet but again same basic motor as yours that will easily matched with a tune. Your car has no more potential other than it being xdrive and since it's heavier and probably $20k more a poorer value. Now if you don't care about value and you just want the fastest, you buy either an M5 CS or M4 CSL better yet a Porsche 911 turbo or gt2/3

I got my m4c xdrive from Los Angeles area dealer at msrp 88k and i didn't order it and i certainly did not wait for a year. Also, in previous post u mentioned that the m240ix is lighter. Yes, by 100lbs which for cars that are at nearly 4000lbs is highly unlikely to make much of a difference in driving dynamics. I also haven't seen a single m240ix at 50k. Lowest one I've seen around here is 57k. I think they are more rare than m4c xdrive so likely u will pay a higher adm on those than the m4c. Just to be clear, I think the m240i is a great car but I don't think it represents a better choice per dollar for drag racing or any other purpose

[Limegrntaln]

Originally Posted by E63M6_G42M240i

That's actually exceptional delivery time maybe because you ordered in Feb, I dont know, but if you look for a G80 they are few and far between on the lots and dealers know that marking up prices a minimum of 5k. I tried to buy a slightly used one at msrp and they wouldn't which made sense because they sold it 1-2 days later. So, I'd consider yourself fortunate. I just was unwilling to wait for what could easily be next year delivery. I still think the new M2 will represent the greatest RWD perform value of all bmw models.

I do definitely think it's going to be the best car in its class. Plus it's a BMW. You can't really go wrong.

The G80 was my buddies car. But he's in the car business, but doesn't work for BMW and when he got the allocation; it was in 112 status, already. So, spec it and 2 weeks later it was in 150. Which is the same thing that happened to me. I just happened to check every box and he only checked one. Plus my G82 was built at a different plant, so they have a little different schedule. G82s are easier to come by. But my buddy for lucky getting his G80 that fast.

[E63M6_G42M240i]

Originally Posted by Buddym850icoupe

I got my m4c xdrive from Los Angeles area dealer at msrp 88k and i didn't order it and i certainly did not wait for a year. Also, in previous post u mentioned that the m240ix is lighter. Yes, by 100lbs which for cars that are at nearly 4000lbs is highly unlikely to make much of a difference in driving dynamics. I also haven't seen a single m240ix at 50k. Lowest one I've seen around here is 57k. I think they are more rare than m4c xdrive so likely u will pay a higher adm on those than the m4c. Just to be clear, I think the m240i is a great car but I don't think it represents a better choice per dollar for drag racing or any other purpose

Uh I said $85k plus so what you paid qualifies for what I said and it's also fact that most are north of $90k, just take a look on car gurus or any other car sales site if you think I'm wrong. As for the m240i I paid $55k with the pro performance and m technology pack which in total is $5k extra. Again we're talking $30+ k comparably equipped and in acceleration (I never said road course), the far better value is clearly the g42 m240i. When the M2 arrives value wise it will probably be even more apparent BUT you still have more interior room.

[Buddym850icoupe]

You said the price is much closer or exceeding 100k which is nowhere near what I or lime paid for ours.
Acceleration isn't comparable. There's a 0.7 sec difference to 60 which is eons when we are talking about performance cars and 1.1 seconds to the quarter mile which is not even in the same race. The cars are also not similarly equipped. Standard features and options on m3/m4 whether we are talking about mechanical things like brakes or technology features arent close or similar. Finally, going back to the price issue, there's a total of 8 new m240ixs around the country for sale. There are 70+ m3s and nearly 200 m4s. I'm sure someone better at negotiating than me can get one under msrp. Good luck getting m240ix under msrp when there are 8 available around the country. I understand that people want to justify and rationalize their purchase as the better one but there's nothing to back that up here. It's like me making a claim that the m4c xdrive is a better choice than a 911 turbo s in terms of acceleration per dollar value. It isn't.

[BEAR-AvHistory]

Think the "value" proposition on cars in these price ranges are a total joke.

It not like you are comparing a Honda Accord to a Toyota Camry for the best family car value between them.

The M2/M4 are pure wants, you pay for what you want if you are not limited by budgetary constraints. One of my wants was a 4 seat convertible that eliminated the 2 series right off the bat.

I had, in the past, a 135is convertible so if the M2 came in that form it might have been considered as its gotten a littler bigger.

Point is if I wanted an M2 vs an M4 there is no reason I could not have bought one. If I wanted a M5 for top BMW acceleration I would have bought one but the roof does not fold up that easy.

BTW For budget numbers the 2022 M4C convertible stickered at $93,000 not $100,000 including the extra cost paint.

[TXGrey]

Originally Posted by G MONEY

Supra is stay way cooler than all those cars. Fuck the tech. People can only wish our 6 cylinders sounded like the 90's Supra does. Mid to late 90's was the the best time for the import scene. Golden Era. Lol

Late 80s / early 90s supercharged and turbo charged MR2s… the cheap man's Supra… but O so fun to mod and run… We ran in packs of them (plus a Supra or two in there as well). Such great times….

[Ezio]

The whole take away I got from this video is that I want a 2JZ.