[bmwbrad22]

Originally Posted by BimmerMat135

Exactly it's unfair already to compare a daily car like the M3/M4 to a dedicated sport car like the GT4. Just the fact it can keep up with the GT4 make the M3 an incredible achievement.

Yep I agree

[DRKNEVL]

I'd still take the GT4 though. Man that things beautiful!

[JJsuh]

M3/m4 since its second generation has always been a street car you can take to the track.

The GT4 is a track car you can take to the street.

Different philosophies, both great.

[VCP]

Originally Posted by CanAutM3

The M3/4 has always been a marvellous Jack of all trades. I've always said affectionately of all my M3/4 that they aren't the best at anything, but they are the second best at everything .

Hahaha very self convincing, nice.

[Sedan_Clan]

Originally Posted by emtreefowty

My previous ride was a Cayman S, my dad owns an M4 and now driving an M340ix I've spent a considerable of time owning/driving the tamer version of both these vehicles. After hours and hour in each- the biggest difference when driving is the feel in weight. The Porsche feels like a go-kart on steroids, it's nimble, agile, tiny and you push 1 sport button to set it. The m4 and m340ix have the weight of a car and configuration settings of a cockpit. They're both awesome but in very different ways, and the thing not mentioned in any "porsche vs. x" reviews is this- if you own a Porsche, you NEED another car. Even as a single guy with no kids, the impracticality is off the charts in a Porsche.

I'm short- the Porsche is the high maintenance woman that drives you crazy, the M is the one you marry

I agree! I'm that guy…..single, no pets, no kids, no credit card debt, etc., and I have a second car. The Carrera S will be my fun/weekend toy.

[Sedan_Clan]

Originally Posted by Superjackson

The gt4 must have destroyed the bmw on corners to make up for the lack of turbo muscle..

….but the GT4 is significantly lighter, so even with lower power the weight advantage still favors the GT4. The G8X just simply handles very, very well for its size and it has power to compliment.

[buckybadger]

Originally Posted by Puuhapete

Funny guy this Steve, I actually like him. What also is funny that when BMW always lost in these track battles, it was a worse car because it lost. Now its the worse car in almost all possible ways, even if it won.
Does this make sense or is there some bias?

The reviewer is an idiot in my opinion.

[GarageMadness]

Why do these British car reviewers always keep comparing the Porsche GT4 to BMW M cars. There is no comparison. Porsche is the penultimate car to own and drive, specifically on the track. GT4 in the hands of an experienced driver will always beat any M car. The mere fact a higher HP G80 is being compared to a mid-level Porsche is absurd as well. Let's compare the top M car vs the top Porsche GT. The M cars will get spanked each and every time. And this guy is lame. I've seen his reviews before. Wish they would all stop trying to be like a Jeremy Clarkson on these reviews.

[buckybadger]

Porsche is good at only one or two things at max but BMW M cars are good any many things. For the price, can't beat the M cars.

[Pantagathus]

Originally Posted by emtreefowty

My previous ride was a Cayman S, my dad owns an M4 and now driving an M340ix I've spent a considerable of time owning/driving the tamer version of both these vehicles. After hours and hour in each- the biggest difference when driving is the feel in weight. The Porsche feels like a go-kart on steroids, it's nimble, agile, tiny and you push 1 sport button to set it. The m4 and m340ix have the weight of a car and configuration settings of a cockpit. They're both awesome but in very different ways, and the thing not mentioned in any "porsche vs. x" reviews is this- if you own a Porsche, you NEED another car. Even as a single guy with no kids, the impracticality is off the charts in a Porsche.

I'm short- the Porsche is the high maintenance woman that drives you crazy, the M is the one you marry

I would love to have a GT4, but you're 100% right that it would be a toy, not a daily. I have 2 kids and a dog - my M3 has 500hp, 3 pedals, is immense fun to drive, or track, or tune, and I'm still able to do the school run, Costco run, or take the family away in it. At any price point, there are a truly vanishingly number of cars than can do all that (particularly the 3 pedal bit). Just an epic car on so many levels.

[Al Pinã]

Originally Posted by GarageMadness

Why do these British car reviewers always keep comparing the Porsche GT4 to BMW M cars. There is no comparison. Porsche is the penultimate car to own and drive, specifically on the track. GT4 in the hands of an experienced driver will always beat any M car. The mere fact a higher HP G80 is being compared to a mid-level Porsche is absurd as well. Let's compare the top M car vs the top Porsche GT. The M cars will get spanked each and every time. And this guy is lame. I've seen his reviews before. Wish they would all stop trying to be like a Jeremy Clarkson on these reviews.

Wait, so now you want to compare an $80K M4 to a Panamera Turbo or something that will be almost $225K with options? I'm lost dude.

I think this particular head to head was done because the cars are in a similar price range and it's an interesting proposition overall.

Kudos to BMW for continuing to make super fun cars in spite of growing opposition to anything with an internal combustion engine.

[KevinM]

Insane. The G8X M3/M4 seats 4-5, has no problem with being a daily driver, family hauler, etc...Beats the GT4 (no question a more pure sports car) on a track - any track. Reminds me of when I bought my E39 M5 so many years ago. Cheers to BMW.

P.S. I'll take either the GT4 or M3/4 with a MT (despite the power reduction for the BMW), thank you. And while I am now in my early 50s (how did that happen??), I have not changed my opinion on that since age 20.

[PrinceBarin]

I'd like to see an alternative version of this test in which, once the clock starts, the driver has to load up with shopping and white goods and some "click & collect" parcels before setting off

[02M3ForMe]

Originally Posted by buckybadger

Porsche is good at only one or two things at max but BMW M cars are good any many things. For the price, can't beat the M cars.

I agree, but I’d change it to, “Porsche is *great* at only one or two things ...” They’re absolutely worth the money, even (and especially) with that singular focus on driving excellence.

[Ghostriderf80]

Originally Posted by Puuhapete

Funny guy this Steve, I actually like him. What also is funny that when BMW always lost in these track battles, it was a worse car because it lost. Now its the worse car in almost all possible ways, even if it won.
Does this make sense or is there some bias?

Yes it makes perfect sense. .2 of a second is not much unless you're racing. Unless you have driven a Porsche and BMW it is hard to understand the difference and why he picked it.

I certainly would pick it too.

It's nice to look at, it's quick and rewarding and not known for teenagers living with their parents owning an M3 and doing donuts in a parking lot.

Porsche is King.

[Sedan_Clan]

Originally Posted by 02M3ForMe

I agree, but I'd change it to, "Porsche is *great* at only one or two things ..." They're absolutely worth the money, even (and especially) with that singular focus on driving excellence.

They could use infotainment implementation advice from BMW though. Oh, and paint advice from BMW too.

[Gonven]

Imagine deciding to buy a car just because is faster on a random circuit

[Sedan_Clan]

Originally Posted by Gonven

Imagine deciding to buy a car just because is faster on a random circuit

I see what you did there.

[02M3ForMe]

Originally Posted by Sedan_Clan

They could use infotainment implementation advice from BMW though. Oh, and paint advice from BMW too.

Right. They’ve come closer than ever with the 992; there’s still room for improvement.

I was quite impressed by the Bose audio. It’s the best stereo I’ve experienced in a sports car. Far better than the Harman Kardon setup in my G82. I don’t know how the Burmester can realistically improve on it enough to justify the $4k price tag.

Further, I enjoyed the glass sunroof, PDK, 18-way sofas, and adaptive cruise control. The 992 C2S/C4S is a near-perfect daily driver sports car, assuming you generally travel without people or cargo. I do agree that an X3 or 330i (or Corolla ) on the side will make for a great combo.

[Gonven]

Originally Posted by Sedan_Clan

I see what you did there.

[Sedan_Clan]

Originally Posted by Gonven

Imagine deciding to buy a car just because is faster on a random circuit

I see what you did there.

[Sedan_Clan]

Originally Posted by Sedan_Clan

I see what you did there.

Originally Posted by 02M3ForMe

Right. They've come closer than ever with the 992; there's still room for improvement.

I was quite impressed by the Bose audio. It's the best stereo I've experienced in a sports car. Far better than the Harman Kardon setup in my G82. I don't know how the Burmester can realistically improve on it enough to justify the $4k price tag.

Further, I enjoyed the glass sunroof, PDK, 18-way sofas, and adaptive cruise control. The 992 C2S/C4S is a near-perfect daily driver sports car, assuming you generally travel without people or cargo. I do agree that an X3 or 330i (or Corolla ) on the side will make for a great combo.

Haha! My Corolla gets miles put on her like a cheap hooker.

I, too, liked the BOSE when I heard it next to the base stereo, so I promptly added it to my build. The 992 is, by far, the Porsche for the modern age. I don't feel like I'm going so backwards now that I've left the BMW camp.