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Well, the new one will certainly be much more expensive, and heavy! A decently optioned G05 X5Mcomp will run around $130K-ish, which is a heavy pricetag, but will likely be my last ICE car
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I hear you. My 145k price is the X6M and the X5M is a bit cheaper. FWIW, I won’t buy a hybrid M car using the technology that is currently in the XM and M5….been there, tried it, didn’t like it. So, I get one of the current generation cars or I don’t get one.
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I've owned both the current X5 with air/third row and the X7 with third row. The X7 is much more luxurious. Not sure what you're addressing in terms of elevating the luxury of the X7. Don't forget there's also the XB7.
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I also have owned a G05 and now currently own a G07. I know the difference in THIS generation is there, I'm curious how they'll define that difference in the future generation.
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Just make sure it isnt a controversial design language like the X3. Please hire designers that stick to tradition and most importantly, know about car design. Not some hipster woke designer that tryna be inclusive.
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I hope adding more options to the base car is not what they call more luxurious. The new X3 is a prime example. Maybe the perception of what luxury is has changed, and I'm too old to keep up.
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My X5 is soo much more a JOY TO DRIVE than any Jeep, Chevrolet, Lexus or Acura SUV I have ever driven. Just compare driving them against any American, Korean or Japanese brand SUV (other than Mazda) and you will understand. |
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Take for example the M3 vs the CLE AMG. I have owned both, and there is more instant driving pleasure in the Merc. It feels connected while the M3 is numb and isolated. The M3 is faster but not more pleasurable. I love our BMW SUVs and wouldn’t trade them for anything else. But the conversation was around pleasure in driving, not other metrics. There is a distinction there. I actually want my X7 and iX to be isolated, quiet, and a luxury cruiser. It’s the ultimate riding machine and very competent at driving as well. |
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The world will embrace in very short time the replacement of animal hides as a statement of high luxary. Their replacement aiding in approaching Circularity and a more eco and ethical holistic approach to car design and production.
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But it's not friendly - it's literally cheaper, and relies on the same resource we say we are attempting to move away from.
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More E90/F1 and less E46.
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I find my X5 M60i with air suspension delivers plenty driving pleasure for my taste, the engine, transmission, suspension comfort, etc, all work to a package very well put together. I hope you may get something you like if your driving pleasure expectations are no longer met by the X5 or X7. But that doesn't mean BMW dialed the driving pleasure out from them, like you said, only that you no longer like to drive them. |
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And you’re putting words in my mouth- I love driving my BMWs. But they’re numb. |
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Look, I’ve been driving BMWs for 30 years. It’s not an ignorant or misguided critique or understanding on my part. There is nothing really debatable. The e39 M5 and older X5 gens and e46 and f8x and e9x M3’s were also better drivers cars. But yes I prefer the BMW SUVs to everything else because of how comfortable, efficient, fast, and reliable they are. |
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Well, it's not my case, at least I hope it´s not. And I also do not like getting into fruitless discussions with pleople with no real arguments or integrity to accept reality. So you won´t read following comments from me on this topic, and THANK YOU for letting us know that current X5s and X7s are "dialed without driving pleasure" and that the correct term is "riding pleasure", not like in the long gone days when it was all better. |
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JoeAyalaM you just want to argue. I’m done debating.
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I wish they’d put screen into footrests and such. It would’ve finaly looked properly integrated. And one in the headliner and one under the hood where engine sound deadening is.
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a) You generalizing them as “the Chinese” like they are one monolithic block who all behave the same and not treating them as individuals further cements my point. b) Your friend could have completely made that story up, or misinterpreted the situation. Also, apparently you missed the memo on the number of Teslas sold in China. If that was such a threat, I doubt they’d be selling there. I doubt any American automaker would. Clearly, Tesla and others (e.g. Buick) haven’t been tremendously threatened. |
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