[thermalc]

Originally Posted by brad850csi

As an LCI M6 Comp Pack owner - mainly because this was the lightest way to get a V8TT + decent + 4 seater from any brand.

I drove an M4 F82 6MT and was very close but the interior and drive wasn't quite there.

I'll outright say that I'll take a G82 M4 6MT or 7DCT over an M8 with an 8AT. I'd prefer RWD over AWD but the gearbox comes first for me - I'm reminded of the gearbox every time I change gears which is when a 6MT or 7DCT will make me happier every time but I'm only reminded of RWD once a week or so.

You're in luck, the M8 comes with a transaxle DCT...

[roastbeef]

At least someone over there is still competent.

[Miko M]

I would love to have MT and AWD rev to about 4K and drop the clutch like this

No matter if is wet or cold that AWD would be a blast

[tastes jigga]

Anyone care to guess what the weight distribution will look like RWD vs xDrive?

[unc879wins]

The target power output for S58, the engine to be used in M3/M4/X3M/X4M, is 475hp.

The HP difference between base M3 and the Comp likely to be similar to current model? +19'ish or more significant? Exciting updates.

[vasi_M3]

Originally Posted by Miko M

I would love to have MT and AWD rev to about 4K and drop the clutch like this

No matter if is wet or cold that AWD would be a blast

Ha, there are only two things that usually happen when launching an AWD car with a manual transmission...Bog down or Burn some clutch...anything else is pure luck...That is why most OEMs do not offer launch control in a manual AWD ( except Focus RS)

[Miko M]

Originally Posted by vasi_M3

Ha, there are only two things that usually happen when launching an AWD car with a manual transmission...Bog down or Burn some clutch...anything else is pure luck...That is why most OEMs do not offer launch control in a manual AWD ( except Focus RS)

Lol
Friend of mine has STI and beat the crap out of it, never had a problem

[gsrbri]

//M cars used to indicate the owner/driver was an enthusiast and willing to make compromises to emphasize performance (RWD vs AWD due to lower weight/inherently better performance, etc.). However, BMW seems enamored w/options and configurations. Sales seem to support their approach.

This is why I traded-in my M4 and bought an OG M2 - maybe the last M car that values design basics over trying to be all things to all buyers.

[vasi_M3]

Originally Posted by Miko M

Lol
Friend of mine has STI and beat the crap out of it, never had a problem

I owned Evos for about 10 years, and beat the crap out of it and the engine never gave up. Launching the car and clutch wear was a different issue, and my friends were always impressed with my driving. Either way you should drive a AWD for a week or two and come back with some feedback on launching and driving in general. Would be very curious.

[F32Fleet]

Originally Posted by chong0

releasing a base and competition at the same time?

why not call the new m3/4 competition the base model and just get rid of the slightly shittier model?

my profession is not in business, maybe that's why I dont see the point in simultaneous release of both models.

yay for MT

Perhaps they will sell more cars? Not everyone who acquires a M is going to track the car. They just want one to drive around town.

In all seriousness if one likes to track BMWs but doesn't have the means to acquire a M4GTS I can't see any reason why they would acquire this new M3/M4 instead of a M2c or an older M4/M3. Due to size alone this new model will be so far removed from older M3's.
Ya, the performance will be there but it's still a big car.

[spuntyb]

Excellent news!

[Miko M]

Originally Posted by vasi_M3

[I owned Evos for about 10 years, and beat the crap out of it and the engine never gave up. Launching the car and clutch wear was a different issue, and my friends were always impressed with my driving. Either way you should drive a AWD for a week or two and come back with some feedback on launching and driving in general. Would be very curious.

I have been driving manual cars for 25 years
And I did drive manual with AWD and I love it!!!
I did own AWD automatic X5M, X6M and currently own M5 and M240xi

And I still want manual AWD car
As far as wearing the components, it's nothing that can't be replaced

[vasi_M3]

Originally Posted by Miko M

I have been driving manual cars for 25 years
And I did drive manual with AWD and I love it!!!
I did own AWD automatic X5M, X6M and currently own M5 and M240xi

And I still want manual AWD car
As far as wearing the components, it's nothing that can't be replaced

Nice cars and hope you get in a manual AWD soon, looks like you maybe due for one. Let me know when you drop that clutch at 4K and report back with results

[antzcrashing]

Originally Posted by ynguldyn

Some good news about the G80 M3/ G82 M4, from yesterday's update in the future models info thread.

G80 M3 and G82 M4 Coupe currently have more variants than we're used to seeing.

First of all, it appears the manuals are still alive. However, there are hints that these cars will be available as both RWD and xDrive. For the first time in years, BMW is not going to force you into a car they think is best - they'll let you choose.

On top of that, there could be two different performance trims right out of the gate - you'll get a Competition model that's more different from the base M3/M4 than the old Competition Packages would provide.

On the other hand, G83 M4 Cabrio would have a more limited selection: a single model with the choice of transmission.

This is great news. AWD M model will be great for people in cold climates. Manual still alive is great. Still wish manual was alive on non-Ms but this is good. Now if they just dont ruin it with a bad digital dash...

[gmag]

Originally Posted by mkoesel

Indeed. It seems unlikely to me that they will do all of the possible variants (speaking just about the sedan for now - coupe would be similar):

G80 MT
G80 AT
G80 xDrive MT
G80 xDrive AT
G80 Competition MT
G80 Competition AT
G80 Competition xDrive MT
G80 Competition xDrive AT

So, if I had to guess - and it is just a guess - I would expect something like:

G80 MT
G80 xDrive AT
G80 Competition xDrive AT

In other words, just like the F90 M5, but with the addition of a RWD MT "purist" model, the latter being sort of like the 911 T, I suppose.

To your list, I would probably add
G80 AT
G80 Competition MT

But there's no way that there's going to be an MxDrive MT because the MxDrive drivetrain owes a lot of it's smoothness and efficiency to the ECU having full control of both the transmission and MxDrive modules. This would not be possible with a MT because the driver has full control of the transmission.

[hinckley]

I've gotta say that there's some really crazy posts here in a thread all about choice. Are some of you really so intolerant that you can't appreciate that different people like/want/need different things?

[Transfer]

Awesome news. AWD is inevitable but they really are smart to offer both AWD M-xDrive and RWD. No one else is doing that. Traction is such an issue with modern power levels that if BMW wants to stay competitive then they have to go AWD or start designing their RWD M cars to include 305+ width tires. This is how Chevy, Ford, and Porsche are getting it done.

I am all in on an M-xDrive M3/4 and would expect it will be AT only as MT and DCT would have to be incredibly stout and probably not cost effective to develop. I just hope optioned MSRP stays closer to $75k than $85k.

[adc]

Originally Posted by Ibiza

The die hard 6MT enthusiast doesn't understand that BMW M engineers design and develop the M engine and transmission based on the DCT/8AT. The 6MT is thrown in as an after thought as it's out dated technology. I don't see the future CS model being offered with a 6MT, only MxDrive 8AT.

You got it all wrong. The die hard 6MT enthusiast understands all that perfectly well, but just simply doesn’t care. They are having way too much fun driving around with their antiquated afterthought gearboxes to worry about all this precision German engineering voodoo.

The interesting thing is, what determines if I pass you on a racetrack or whether you pass me, has absolutely nothing to do with the gearboxes in our cars.

I would also point out that the CS models are not exactly flying off the shelves, there are no angry mobs breaking windows to get at them.


But go ahead and try to buy a 911 GT3 Touring with a manual transmission. The demand is insane. Must be a lot of people who simply don’t understand that the 6MT in the $150k GT3 is an afterthought and that the engine was developed around the wonderful 7PDK gearbox.

[Ibiza]

Originally Posted by georgere

I also test drove the new m5 and loved it but it is not a sports car per se so my expectations were different. My point is that RWD will give speed and cool tech but also will cost a lot and may take away from the concept of 3er M.... we shall see..

How long was your M5 test drive and what type of road? I'm not interested in a 4 door sedan, but intrigued with the new MxDrive that I spent $6,000 + for a 2 day test drive earlier this month at the Ring in the M5– what an animal it was!

[Fugly M3]

Wait xDrive 6MT M3/4C #saywhat?!?

[jmg]

Originally Posted by upsidedownfunnel

Never said it was. For me, I just don't need an M3. The M340i would have been exactly what I needed if it had come with a manual. The only reason I'll be getting the G80 M3 is because it comes with a manual. It's a bit of a waste of money, but I'll probably end up just keeping it a while so I can justify it this time.

No one "needs" an M.

Until you drive one.

[Ibiza]

Originally Posted by adc

I would also point out that the CS models are not exactly flying off the shelves, there are no angry mobs breaking windows to get at them.

The CS residuals are in the mid 4's, the monthly lease payment must be around a M5.