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      06-29-2018, 06:38 PM   #67
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My only concern is growth of this chassis, in length and width. The 3 series keeps growing.
Bring-on the first ever BMW M2 Gran Coupe.

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The "i'm jumping ship if its not a dct" posts are my favorite. BMW DCT really isn't that great and the new AT is basically a step up in every regard but people are really fixated on this one particular issue.

I currently have a DCT in my F80. Its great at full tilt, ok overall but pretty shitty when it comes to just day to day driving.

If you are sold on the DCT go drive a new porsche with PDK and you'll realize how our DCTs can still leave a lot to be desired.

true story. PDK is very advanced with it's programming and it does an outstanding job of understanding throttle input along with gearing and it makes the appropriate shifts down and upward and nearly right on time.

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please tell me one reason that anyone would prefer the dct over the 8 speed? neither has a clutch so the drive the same. I don't understand why people cry about this. also the 8 speed is more reliable.
The "i'm jumping ship if its not a dct" posts are my favorite. BMW DCT really isn't that great and the new AT is basically a step up in every regard but people are really fixated on this one particular issue.

I currently have a DCT in my F80. Its great at full tilt, ok overall but pretty shitty when it comes to just day to day driving.

If you are sold on the DCT go drive a new porsche with PDK and you'll realize how our DCTs can still leave a lot to be desired.
The problem is BMW called it simply "Automatic" when they should have called it Optimized ShiftTronic Autonomous Shifting System ir OSASS for short and charge $3500 for it then people would have been lining up to buy it .
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      06-29-2018, 07:14 PM   #70
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Bring-on the first ever BMW M2 Gran Coupe.

RWD please. not the X1/X2 drivetrain .. but yes.
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So a cuter version of the new M5? Neat. Will likely beat out its competition as well.
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while you are waiting.. you will want to get your BMW speak correct...

you will be looking for an M3/M4 Competition MODEL right away.. not the base model...
Isn't that what I said?

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and.. based on the rollout of the M5... you will NOT have to wait long because the competition model will be announced within 6 months of the base model and will feature lots of black trim rather than chrome.
Lets hope so!
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I really wanted the M340i since I prefer sleepers,
If you really want a sleeper just get an M3 and take the M badges off. No one outside of the enthusiast world can tell the difference between a 3 series and an M3.
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I dont see a M850i/M550 having more power than the M3. Makes no sense to me.
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Autocar rumors: G80 M3 may get active rear steering, 465hp, lighter than F80 M3 CS

M340i 385bhp, M3 only 465bhp? Come on. Should be at least 500.
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I dont see a M850i/M550 having more power than the M3. Makes no sense to me.
The M550 weighs 4400lbss, almost 1000lbs more than the current M3/4.
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M340i 385bhp, M3 only 465bhp? Come on. Should be at least 500.
Besides the fact that the stated HP figures usually are closer to wheel HP rather than crank, the M340i will weigh more than the G80 and have a higher center of gravity. Hopefully the G20 M340i will come with an LSD, otherwise it's still no contest and miles below a real M car in driving dynamics. But I agree... 500hp would be nice. However, if we take the ballpark 15% drivetrain loss into consideration, at 465 RWHP, that's significantly above 500hp to the crank. Nonetheless, these numbers are less important than how much of that power can be put to the ground and how the car handles overall.
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Isn't that what I said?



Lets hope so!
umm. No..

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Hmmm yes. I'm excited. Please don't look too goofy. The F80 is a stunning piece of sheet metal. Now with a MT, I might have to switch back to manual if there is no DCT, but that's not really a bad thing, I'm starting to miss the clutch. I'll be skipping the base model and go to a ZCP right away please, so don't keep us waiting too long bmw! Give me close to 500 at the crank and I'll be happy to feed my tire fund!!

ZCP is a performance package.

Competition is a model level.
The new hierarchy for M models is a four model lineup.


Base
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umm. No..
Looks the same to me. I want the ZCP, not the base model.
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Keep the costs down and surprise us for once and make a zero option V8 with no nannies, MT and an amazing exhaust.
No. Just make the engine sound good. Go buy a MB if you want a v8
I wouldn't be too sad if they stole the AMG motor blueprints and started using them. even the V8 in my M6 sounds "pretty good" whereas the AMG biturbos just sound heavenly.
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M340i 385bhp, M3 only 465bhp? Come on. Should be at least 500.
Besides the fact that the stated HP figures usually are closer to wheel HP rather than crank, the M340i will weigh more than the G80 and have a higher center of gravity. Hopefully the G20 M340i will come with an LSD, otherwise it's still no contest and miles below a real M car in driving dynamics. But I agree... 500hp would be nice. However, if we take the ballpark 15% drivetrain loss into consideration, at 465 RWHP, that's significantly above 500hp to the crank. Nonetheless, these numbers are less important than how much of that power can be put to the ground and how the car handles overall.
Please don't bring up bmw understates hp again. Doesn't everybody? Basically they level out. So 500 claimed bhp should really be a standard.
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Looks the same to me. I want the ZCP, not the base model.
. wow that was a quick reply! See edited post above

For posterity I will say it again... it sounds like you want the next generation " First Ever BMW M4 Competition " .

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M340i 385bhp, M3 only 465bhp? Come on. Should be at least 500.
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Please don't bring up bmw understates hp again. Doesn't everybody? Basically they level out. So 500 claimed bhp should really be a standard.
what's with the arbitrary 500 hp demand ? " SHOULD BE"

Should be what? Why? because you want it? You will get get 465 and like it..
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Please don't bring up bmw understates hp again. Doesn't everybody? Basically they level out. So 500 claimed bhp should really be a standard.
Which is why it's less about those numbers and how the car actually performs.
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All sounds like positive improvements except the size. I get it's just a little bigger, but are people really buying 3 series for extra rear seat legroom and a big trunk? Wish this trend would reverse...
I'm one of those folks Sadly, I'm 6'2" with long legs, so space behind me is at a premium - and I've got 2 kids now. No one could sit behind me in my E90, and my 5-year old is just about out of space behind me in my F30 now. An extra inch or two of rear legroom would be pretty sweet.

Don't forget, BMW makes the 1 and 2-series now for those who want something smaller.
1 series is a hatchback (and not avail in the US) and 2 series is a coupe. I'm just suggesting the 3 series should be their "small" sedan. I would suggest that the 5 series and 7 series are available for those that need more space.
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. wow that was a quick reply! See edited post above
Ahh I see. I believe the ZCP is the Competition Pack. Maybe I've been wrong this whole time?

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Ahh I see. I believe the ZCP is the Competition Pack. Maybe I've been wrong this whole time?

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In the past... BMW made a Competition package... which is an options package.


Now.. BMW is making an entire model named the Competition model.


Consider the following.

Porsche Cayman
Porsche Cayman S
Porsche Cayman GTS
Porsche Cayman GT4

that is a 4 car model hierarchy on the Cayman platform.

BMW is now doing the same with all the M car lines.. for the next generation M3 for example.. it will be

M3
M3 Competition (NOT a ZCP package)
M3 CS
M3 CSL


The first line to have this expanded lineup of models (on sale at the same time) is the M5.

An M5 has been announced...

http://f90.bimmerpost.com/forums/sho....php?t=1414257

and within 6 months.. an M5 Competition model has also already been announced

http://f90.bimmerpost.com/forums/sho....php?t=1494065

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I'm one of those folks Sadly, I'm 6'2" with long legs, so space behind me is at a premium - and I've got 2 kids now. No one could sit behind me in my E90, and my 5-year old is just about out of space behind me in my F30 now. An extra inch or two of rear legroom would be pretty sweet.

Don't forget, BMW makes the 1 and 2-series now for those who want something smaller.
Not with 4 doors. The m3 used to be a competitor to the 911. The M3 "grew up" as Chris Harris puts it. Sounds like you could use a 5 series.
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