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      11-01-2021, 02:08 AM   #45
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Exactly, if you care about drag racing the AWD is your car. If you care about maximum performance in any other scenario like roll race, mountain roads, track RWD C is your car. If you care about the experience and want to feel something when you drive then RWD MT is your car.
If AWD had been available for my M4 6MT, I probably would’ve ordered it that way. I’m just happy I can get a 6MT period.
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Lol so true should have bought x5M or X3M
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AWD Automatic M3
Lol so true should have bought x5M or X3M
I'm just breaking stones.

I'm wondering what an "M3" will be in 20 years.

The car enthusiasts is a fading culture

Less and less need to drive every year
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Oxymoron

AWD Automatic M3
Oxymoron

Turbo I6 M3 (F80)

or V8 M3 (E90)

or SMG I6 M3 (E46)

or I6 M3 (E36)

or I4 (E30)

What exactly is an M3? Every generation people always come up with this 'not a real M car' argument. There is no such thing.
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      11-01-2021, 09:02 AM   #50
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Oxymoron

AWD Automatic M3
Oxymoron

Turbo I6 M3 (F80)

or V8 M3 (E90)

or SMG I6 M3 (E46)

or I6 M3 (E36)

or I4 (E30)

What exactly is an M3? Every generation people always come up with this 'not a real M car' argument. There is no such thing.
I hear ya

I was introduced to the M3 in 1986

So I've grown with the changes

I personally think the e46 is the best and I own an F80 and will definitely get a G80 pure
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      11-01-2021, 09:24 AM   #51
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I hear ya

I was introduced to the M3 in 1986

So I've grown with the changes

I personally think the e46 is the best and I own an F80 and will definitely get a G80 pure
This is why I think the G80 is the best. There is something for everyone. I consider my self an enthusiast despite the fact that I have an xDrive, but there is a 6MT option, a RWD option and an AWD option. This is the most accessible generation, and the highest performing.
I never thought I would own an automatic, yet here I am
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      11-01-2021, 12:44 PM   #52
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I have been a strong AWD defender and indeed I have one on order but if it was available in my country, I would have gone RWD just because of the 6MT.
I don't see the point in buying a RWD with 8AT but that has been already extensively discussed on other threads.
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Oxymoron

AWD Automatic M3
Lol so true should have bought x5M or X3M
I'm just breaking stones.

I'm wondering what an "M3" will be in 20 years.

The car enthusiasts is a fading culture

Less and less need to drive every year
It's going to be a self driving car with a badge that drives itself around the track faster than the self driving m2 but slower than the self driving m5. People will rush out and buy it saying they don't really miss driving, the interior is nicer, and the self driving performance speaks for itself. They can't wait to see what it does with a JB4.
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oxymoron

awd automatic m3
lol so true Should have bought x5m or x3m
i'm just breaking stones.

I'm wondering what an "m3" will be in 20 years.

The car enthusiasts is a fading culture

less and less need to drive every year
it's going to be a self driving car with a badge that drives itself around the track faster than the self driving m2 but slower than the self driving m5. People will rush out and buy it saying they don't really miss driving, the interior is nicer, and the self driving performance speaks for itself. They can't wait to see what it does with a jb4.
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Here's my take on AWD:

Didn't care much about AWD (being in CA) until I moved to CO. First winter I went in and traded my '94 Integra for a brand new '07 STI, after having gotten stuck in a 10yr. blizzard (Oct '06).
With the "rear biased" STI (260whp/320wtq), I would tail whip in icy conditions unless I would lock the differential, which would allow for more predictable and controllable slides around icy turns (intentionally taken at higher speed).

Fast forward 12yrs, I moved to a 650whp/650wtq GTR. Although never driven on ice/snow, I would experience a slight tail whip before the front tires would pull me out of the turn. This, while negotiating turns on cold tires, winter and a high rate of speed (high rate of speed, at least for me... I'm no Nicky Lauda -- ). Even when I had it in CA for the brief 2 yrs I worked in Santa Barbara, it was a blast to point and shoot during cold morning w/out fearing having a Mustang-YouTube moment

Fast forward 3yrs. This past weekend, while doing some last minute Halloween shopping, I experience once again, the grace of the AWD (aka xDrive) on my M4Cx (not an oxymoron on my book while the culture is learning about the new standard) pulling me from an otherwise tail whip under acceleration while ambient temperatures where hovering 32deg.

RWD? No thanks.

I see RWD like I see Harleys. I love bikes, but personally, I would never spend money on a Harley. I'm a sportbike or dirtbike kind of guy (but too old to own one now) and get along with Harley dudes, just like I do with RWD-hardcore drivers
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      11-01-2021, 07:16 PM   #56
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Another great track video of Xdrive
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      11-02-2021, 06:04 AM   #57
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I am ordering RWD, I don't want the extra complexity, and honestly I see no reason to pay extra for something that doesn't benefit my driving style, I don't drag race. I plan on using it in the winter as well , I just don't drive fast when the weather is bad regardless of rwd or awd.

There seems to be some conflicting information about the 4WD sport mode, some articles are saying it's only available with DSC off, just like 2wd. Can anyone clarify?

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      11-02-2021, 06:55 AM   #58
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I am ordering RWD, I don't want the extra complexity, and honestly I see no reason to pay extra for something that doesn't benefit my driving style, I don't drag race. I plan on using it in the winter as well , I just don't drive fast when the weather is bad regardless of rwd or awd.

There seems to be some conflicting information about the 4WD sport mode, some articles are saying it's only available with DSC off, just like 2wd. Can anyone clarify?
I think you mean traction control being fully off is only available in RWD mode?

I think you need the M Driver package if you want to have some traction adjustability with the AWD in RWD mode

Yes..confusing!
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      11-02-2021, 07:13 AM   #59
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I think you mean traction control being fully off is only available in RWD mode?

I think you need the M Driver package if you want to have some traction adjustability with the AWD in RWD mode

Yes..confusing!
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https://www.topgear.com/car-news/bmw...ice-difference


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Because to get to 4WD Sport you have to disable the DSC stability control. Which seems daft to me. This is very much rear-drive. You will get proper slip angles and sweaty palms, but a better chance of saving yourself because the fronts – you’ll discover mid-slide – are also doing some work.
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https://www.topgear.com/car-news/bmw...ice-difference




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In AWD sport mode I’m pretty sure he meant MDM mode with stability and traction control, which allows slippage until the car thinks it has gotten too much slippage than engaging DSC.

To get RWD with Xdrive you have to have all off, but with the m drivers package I believe a $900 option you can set traction control from 1-10


In this video I’m pretty sure he states he’s in AWD sport mode (MDM) allowing the car to rotate, but DSC will trigger once the car senses it has too much slippage.


https://m.youtube.com/watch?time_con...ature=emb_logo

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I am ordering RWD, I don't want the extra complexity, and honestly I see no reason to pay extra for something that doesn't benefit my driving style, I don't drag race. I plan on using it in the winter as well , I just don't drive fast when the weather is bad regardless of rwd or awd.

There seems to be some conflicting information about the 4WD sport mode, some articles are saying it's only available with DSC off, just like 2wd. Can anyone clarify?
You can have the X drive set to 4WD Sport in following chassis stabilization setups:

MDM
DSC OFF

With DSC OFF you can choose

4WD Sport
4WD
2WD

The 10 way traction control is only lit up with DSC off and 2WD mode enabled.
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Is it easy to have the rear step out on the xdrive at lower speeds? The article I mentioned above says it's even more eager than the RWD. Any insights on this?
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This is why I think the G80 is the best. There is something for everyone. I consider my self an enthusiast despite the fact that I have an xDrive, but there is a 6MT option, a RWD option and an AWD option. This is the most accessible generation, and the highest performing.
Yes, but this jack-of-all-trades is itself off-putting to some people, who want it to be smaller/lighter/simpler. There is literally no way to please everyone, but as long as BMW continues selling them well, they don't really care.

... which makes me wonder how well the new G80/82 are actually selling? We all know about order delays and scarcity of production allocations, but how much of that is tied to limited volumes and supply-chain issues? I don't believe BMW (NA or worldwide) breaks down specific model sales, so it may be difficult to ascertain, but anecdotally at least I have seen very few G8X's (compared to F8X's).
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I'm just breaking stones.

I'm wondering what an "M3" will be in 20 years.

The car enthusiasts is a fading culture

Less and less need to drive every year
I gotta agree here. Things a moving fast these days.

Personal transport will be for the minority and being able to actually drive anything will be for the minority or for professionals only.

Sad times ahead for people that get a a buzz from driving.

It wont be long before we're told driving is too dangerous for us humans and that computers need to do it 100% of the time.

Booooooooo
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Ive never owned an 'M' car before and picked up my first G80 M3C last Friday.

As its my first M, the goal was to get the ultimate performance M3. The one with the best 0-60s right out of the box and the one that impresses the most on youtube (1/4 miles 0-60 etc). So, that meant M3C Xdrive. I had my kids to consider so the Xdrive meant safety too.

My bro-in-law works at BMW, he had a TR M3C come in, knowing I was looking I took it out for a run and had to have it. So
I collected my first M3C last Friday, no Xdrive in sight and I dont regret it one bit.

I was so impressed with RWD that I quickly realised that I didnt need Xd. I've been out in wet conditions (as you do often in the UK) and its great, so much better than I expected!. Im too long in the tooth to be needing absolute performance in the wet / tricky conditions or at the lights when Mr or Mrs AMG or RS pulls up alongside me after some fun. Im not needing to push limits even though in RWD form, Im nowhere near pushing this thing to its limits. its for the pure joy and thrill of the drive and this ticks all my boxes several times.

Yes had Xdrive been offered, Id have taken it, but I dont believe that for my own driving pleasure and skills that I've lost out on anything by having RWD.

For ultimate peace of mind and dare I say bragging rights then yes and M3C with Xd but for me the RWD is all I need.
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Hot off the press, so I suspect not many of you guys have seen this yet, but you need to. In this debate over rwd vs xdrive, whoever woulda thunk this 4300lb vert beast with xdrive would hit 60 in 3.24 sec?

https://www.bmwblog.com/2021/11/05/2...-3-24-seconds/
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