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New Schirmer M4GT -- The record lap 06:53,5 @ BTG Nurburgring
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Yeah, this is so fast. Even it being BTG, its faster than the CSL. I guess thats why their track suspension is $14,500.
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Team Schirmer exposes BMW. Its BMW the one that holds its cars back from Porsche imo. They did 7:00 with the F87 M2 Comp , and 6:53 with the G82 M4 Comp. BMW never gave us official laptimes for F87 , but Sport Auto lap time was 7:52 for the F87 Comp , thats 52 seconds improvement ! Same for the G82 , i think Sport Auto lap time was 7:30 ! Thats 37 seconds improvement.
BMW builds very capable cars at half the price ! A small company just took them and proved it ! No surprise that most of the cars at Nurburgring are bimmers.. You can see dozens of E36/46/92 F8Xs chasing GT3s ! Enought said , i love team schirmer , i hope we can see them racing with BMW at touring car racing. Edit : laptimes are mixed btg vs full . But still i estimate that team schirmer improves the cars laptimes by 20-30 seconds.
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No BTG is shorter .
BTG is 19.1km and Full is 20.8km which is basically the long straight.
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What is a ‘Ring laptime exactly?
Good question. Most racetracks are short, so a lap is a complete circuit, starting and finishing in exactly the same place, the start/finish line. But the ‘Ring is so long that the outlap to get to the start/finish point at speed is the equivalent of about four normal race laps, which is about the maximum a roadcar’s brakes can handle, if that. That is why many timed ‘Ring “laps” are measured from the entry on to the track to the exit – this is a “bridge to gantry” lap (BTG) and misses out the part between the last gantry and the first bridge. A full lap is 20.832km, and a BTG lap is 19.1km, which equates to around 20-30 seconds less time. Public driving days (“touristfarhten”) do not permit full laps, so only BTG is possible. So if someone claims an impressive laptime, raise a quizzical eyebrow and ask “ah yes, but was that a full lap or BTG?” from : https://practicalmotoring.com.au/car...ould-you-care/ |
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A couple things to note:
-this is a BTG lap which is 20-30sec slower than a full lap (ie. m4 csl ran a 7:15.6) -this car has a full cage, full schirmer suspension and brakes, so probably at least $50k of mods+Labor (if not more) -this car is essentially a track rat, forget about driving this on the street the noises from the suspension and lack of interior/sound deadening will drive you nuts -Schirmer dials his cars to go fast on the Nurburgring, it's all or nothing. That doesn't necessarily translate to a car that can go fast on all kinds of other tracks or maintains versatility. -an M4 CSL is probably faster and more consistent, and that's on stock weight. I imagine if you stripped+roll cage a CSL it would be even faster. - |
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Watching the video, the actually time the "Gantry-to-Bridge" distance at ~0:22.8 sec. From that we can easily calculate the full lap at 7:16.6, which is 3.6 sec faster than the M4 CSL factory lap.
That being said, we do not know what tires are on the car. Racing slicks can make a huge difference.
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A lot is said about the cars and upgrades, etc. but something needs to be said for driver skill. Having all the best possible tools makes no difference for someone not competent to wring out the most from the car. Many of us fretting over seconds of lap times vs competitors need to keep our own abilities in perspective too.
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Olaf's crew modifies stock GT3 and 2ss for improved Youtube lap times at similar levels of modification (kinematics, aero, wheels/tires) as does Schirmer with a stock M car. A CSL is a tarted up 3/4 series and does not compare with a dedicated sports car chassis touched by AP, blessed with a genuine motorsport engine. |
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