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The press cars are all $100K MSRP because they are Competition models with carbon exterior, carbon bucket seats and ceramic brakes. I'm ordering a M3 manual sedan with reasonable equipment (metallic paint, 825M wheels, laserlights, executive package and parking package, etc.) and paying about $70K after dealer discount and factory rebates. It's not a $100K car for me. |
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Congrats on the G80 order. Decided against a Cayman or planning on buying both?
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Not grasping the difference between SA times and Manufacturer times are ya? |
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08-08-2021, 10:55 AM | #158 | |
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The competition package was like 5-7K extra on the 2018 M3s if I remember correctly. |
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My F80 DCT competition was $82K sticker. My G80 sticker (with carbon pack) is $82K sticker...
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No doubt a big win here for BMW and G80 owners. The CS and CSL will only be faster and the G8x Comp pack AWD times are still tbd.
As far as all the car comparisons, in the end does anyone buy just on lap times?? I'm still lukewarm on the G80 overall, rather have a current M5, F80 or F87 M2C and the few seconds lap time doesn't matter. HOWEVER, bragging rights are bragging rights and the G80 is one fast and track capable machine and all the while it's still a great daily driver. Impressive results for BMW M, well done!! |
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Manufacturers do lap after lap with their own driver and always gets a better lap time than what SA is able to do. SA generally get one or two warm up laps and then has to set the time, while leaving a safety margin to avoid crashing the press cars. When the Giulia lap time was set was also before the official Nürburgring lap time policies was introduced. Which means there was no third party inspection to confirm that the car was in original spec. Compare the two cars SA lap times at the Hockenheim GP track for a fairer comparison. https://fastestlaps.com/comparisons/91ols7ib1d8j The M4 C did a 1:53.70 while the Alfa did a 1:57.10 So on a much shorter 4.574km track the M4 is a massive 3.10 sec faster! After 10 laps the M4 would be 31 secs clear of the Alfa… |
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The comparisons are not useless but most people don't know how to look at the data. Weather is a huge variable in lap times and that doesn't mean just damp or rainy conditions. Track state is also a huge factor in lap times. Did it just rain hard for two days? Well, the track will be greener and slower for a talented driver for sure. And then there is the track itself which may be quicker due to changes or resurfacing from year to year. All these things play a huge role in comparing times but we rarely have any data for any of these variables when looking at a multi-year list of times. So let's take your original question about the M8 vs M4 times from Sport Auto and "how can the M8 be slower?" My answer would not have been advances in tires in just a few years, although that could be a factor. My answer would be... they set the same time at the Nordschliefe. I know the M4c was a bit over a second faster when on Cup 2s and about a second slower when on PS4S... but those small margins are essentially meaningless when you compare cars lapping such a long track on different days and different years. If we understand the variables we have to acknowledge that the two cars, at the ring at least, are essentially equally fast. The gap is too small to say anything else unless they were tested on the same day, in the same 2 hour window, by the same driver. At the ring the "equivalent" gap is a bigger time window, probably 2-4 seconds at least; on a smaller track the equivalency gap would be smaller. Btw, one car no one is referencing is the 812 Superfast. It was only 3 seconds faster at the ring than the new M4. Of course that V12 engine note is worth 20 seconds in perceived speed, at least, lol. |
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