[BGM-M3COMP]

Originally Posted by jimbethesda

This analogy is as bad as your heart disease - COVID analogy.

If I don't step out of the way, I die. If I, one individual, does nothing to lower my carbon footprint, the effect on Earth is essentially 0. Now if the world as a whole enacts policies to lower carbon output, there is a big positive effect on earth.

So, I fully support government's lowering carbon emissions. As I said, bans and mandates are a really dumb way to accomplish this. My strong preference is with a carbon tax and let the free market figure out the best way. This is fully consistent with capitalism, and in fact, a required part of it.

So, you can still embrace carbon lowering policies and drive an gas guzzler.

It's always a bad idea to assume what others think.

Right.

And it seems that people are too heavily emotionally invested in this subject. It's not a big deal. No one is going to knock on anyones door and demand the keys to their ICE car because EV's are here.

We have time. I'm just saying the whole 2030 or 2035 and some car makers said 2040 are just TARGET dates.

It could happen right up to that time, or it could happen before it. It's happening now.

Right now it seems that there are only 2 issues with people and EV's.

1: cost. As it's still a cheaper option to go with an ICE car in the long run (will be short lived IMHO in 3-5 years).

2: Charging times/battery technology. People hate waiting. We live in a world where everything has to be instant. Battery technology has come a long way just in the past 3 years alone. If people read some EVtech articles, you will understand the HUGE improvements that are on the way for 2024. That's 2 years from now.

Listen, i'm a huge ICE lover for life. That will never change. So i don't get why people are getting upset at the posts here.

No one likes change. But in order to evolve, you need change.

Not everyone sees cars the we we do. They see them as appliances. You use, abuse, dispose and start over. Most people don't give a rats ass about the cars sound, the way it shifts, to feel how smooth an engine is.

People like the latest tech, instant torque delivery, and whatever they think is "safe" for the environment.

[KevinGS]

Originally Posted by Patton250

I know how to determine whether I can take you or anyone else seriously when they make a statement like that by the way they live. So unless you have solar panels on your house and are off the grid, drive EV already, recycle absolutely everything you have, have energy efficient lightbulbs in your house, grow a garden and basically consume nothing you don’t create yourself then a statement like you made is nothing more than virtue signaling. So if you really feel that way there’s absolutely no way you own an M3. If you did your statement would be worse than virtue singling it would be hypocritical.

touched a nerve, huh?

for the record, I live in this world too, so I'm part of the apathy.

and this is beyond what we choose to drive or whether we recycle or if one chooses to invest in solar panels for our homes...it's how we live as a species, and what we choose to care about, collectively, that shows exactly how we feel about the planet.

[MadBimmeRad]

Originally Posted by BGM-M3COMP

Most people don't give a rats ass about the cars sound, the way it shifts, to feel how smooth an engine is.

I give a rat's ass; on a good day, I'd even give a monkey's ass

[SickGTR]

Originally Posted by jimbethesda

This analogy is as bad as your heart disease - COVID analogy.

If I don't step out of the way, I die. If I, one individual, does nothing to lower my carbon footprint, the effect on Earth is essentially 0. Now if the world as a whole enacts policies to lower carbon output, there is a big positive effect on earth.

So, I fully support government's lowering carbon emissions. As I said, bans and mandates are a really dumb way to accomplish this. My strong preference is with a carbon tax and let the free market figure out the best way. This is fully consistent with capitalism, and in fact, a required part of it.

So, you can still embrace carbon lowering policies and drive an gas guzzler.

It's always a bad idea to assume what others think.

So all these 1000 's of hazardous batteries that start piling up aren't bad for the carbon and bad for the environment? Does anyone even know the effects yet ? Would love to know

[jimbethesda]

Originally Posted by SickGTR

So all these 1000 's of hazardous batteries that start piling up aren't bad for the carbon and bad for the environment? Does anyone even know the effects yet ? Would love to know

I'm sure they are. Governments picking EVs over ICE blindly is bad policy. Carbon taxes, battery disposal taxes, etc are the way to go. Price in all externalities, let the market figure out the rest. That's never going to happen unfortunately. So we're stuck with bans and mandates.

[BGM-M3COMP]

Originally Posted by MadBimmeRad

I give a rat's ass; on a good day, I'd even give a monkey's ass

LOL you're right.

Or on a REALLY good day when you're in one of these in the future, and you can hear an ICE car take off for a brief second before you destroy it seconds later

[Patton250]

Originally Posted by KevinGS

touched a nerve, huh?

for the record, I live in this world too, so I'm part of the apathy.

and this is beyond what we choose to drive or whether we recycle or if one chooses to invest in solar panels for our homes...it's how we live as a species, and what we choose to care about, collectively, that shows exactly how we feel about the planet.

I just call out hypocrisy when I see it. I do get a bit aggravated by virtue signaling so perhaps it did touch a little nerve.

[Chicane_]

Originally Posted by BGM-M3COMP

LOL you're right.

Or on a REALLY good day when you're in one of these in the future, and you can hear an ICE car take off for a brief second before you destroy it seconds later

I have some very fast street cars (9.xx quarter mile) but I've never once raced a fellow motorist from a stoplight or along a public road. When exactly are these Plaid owners expected to safely flex their inverters to other motorists?

[Patton250]

Originally Posted by BGM-M3COMP

Right.
No one is going to knock on anyones door and demand the keys to their ICE car because EV's are here.

Very true but only for the United States and only for now. Do you realize that we have a good percentage of our own citizens in the United States and majority of people in Europe that are all for forcing people, you know like holding them down, while someone injects a vaccine into them. So I’m prepared for anything in the future but for right now I agree with you on this point. In the United States I mean.

I want you to know the only reason why I’ve seemed a bit aggravated with you on this subject is because you are so nonchalant about it. When you and I both know the truth is the only reason why EV’s have made this much progress is because its been forced on us by government(s). I guess I’m a bit disappointed that you’re perfectly fine with that. Especially since you own and appreciate gas guzzling sports cars. Your whole attitude just confuses me. Especially since you’ve taken it past being nonchalant and are more really in the enthusiastic column. That’s all.

[BGM-M3COMP]

Originally Posted by Patton250

Very true but only for the United States and only for now. Do you realize that we have a good percentage of our own citizens in the United States and majority of people in Europe that are all for forcing people, you know like holding them down, while someone injects a vaccine into them. So I’m prepared for anything in the future but for right now I agree with you on this point. In the United States I mean.

I want you to know the only reason why I’ve seemed a bit aggravated with you on this subject is because you are so nonchalant about it. When you and I both know the truth is the only reason why EV’s have made this much progress is because its been forced on us by government(s). I guess I’m a bit disappointed that you’re perfectly fine with that. Especially since you own and appreciate gas guzzling sports cars. Your whole attitude just confuses me. Especially since you’ve taken it past being nonchalant and are more really in the enthusiastic column. That’s all.

First of all. Why would anyone you don't know or met have any effect on you at all? That wasn't my intention at all. I don't have any issues with anyone here. We're all car people. We're all BMW people. This is a community.

However we all have the right to share our likes and dislikes.

If any of my posts has shown any slander, or hate towards another because of what they like or dislike, then please show me. Because i know i did no such thing.

You can be a car enthusiast and still like EV's dude. An EV is a CAR. We are CAR PEOPLE.

I already said it in this thread i like new tech. I like evolution. EV is the future and it's happening now. But some of the posts, yours included implied that EV isn't happening, and that it's some hoax (i know you didn't say that word) that all of a sudden we'll wake up one day, open up an internet browser and see an article saying, "No more EV's, car makers are going back to 100% ICE".

All i said was that it's happening sooner than we think. Because the transition is already taking place. Pair that with how fast battery technology is moving in, and we're going to see the transition even faster IMHO. I didn't say ICE will be dead TOMORROW. Didn't say you won't see ICE cars on the road in 2030. I didn't say ICE cars are dumb. I didn't say ICE cars are no good.

I'm saying we're seeing glimpses of what they're about. Look at the plaid, the taycan turbo s. The E-tron. Affordable cars like the model 3/Y performance. Those aren't slow cars. As time goes on, charging/battery technology will greatly improve so the issues people are having trouble with, will soon get trumped by improved technology towards that.

Car makers we all know of today are working on EV's. So if you think a tesla is ugly. That's fine. Not everyone thinks they look good. But guess what? Your favorite car maker will be making an EV that will appeal to your liking from a cosmetic point of view, while being EV. There is nothing wrong with change brother.

I'm not sure what you mean by nonchalant. Like i don't care with what's going on and yet i'm excited about it too?

No that's wrong. I do care what's going on. The point i am making which no one can top the argument to is, what can we do about it?

We can't do anything about. You can keep your ICE car. And then what? It gets older and older and older and then becomes obsolete. Ok nothing wrong with that. You have an ICE toy you cherish. That's fine. I'll have one too. It'll be my C8Z.

But yes i'll be driving an EV as well. No doubt about that. I'm getting my first EV in spring.

[KevinGS]

Originally Posted by Patton250

I just call out hypocrisy when I see it. I do get a bit aggravated by virtue signaling so perhaps it did touch a little nerve.

LOL. Understood. Rest assured, I always look at the man in the mirror.

[BGM-M3COMP]

Originally Posted by Chicane_

I have some very fast street cars (9.xx quarter mile) but I've never once raced a fellow motorist from a stoplight or along a public road. When exactly are these Plaid owners expected to safely flex their inverters to other motorists?

I saw a plaid this past sunday. He could've ate me for lunch (no homo lol). I didn't know it was a plaid because he was behind me. And i was going to downshift and leave him.

But it's a good thing i didn't, because he rolled up next to me and gave me a thumbs up, and just rolled on by, then i saw the plaid badge and i was like oh fuck. Good thing i didn't mess with that lol

The great thing about a car like the plaid is. It's fast when you want it. And not when you don't want it lol.

Otherwise why do we have M3's? That logic can apply to ANY performance car. We should all drive 18 second cars then. That's enough for the commute.

[Patton250]

Originally Posted by BGM-M3COMP

First of all. Why would anyone you don't know or met have any effect on you at all? That wasn't my intention at all. I don't have any issues with anyone here. We're all car people. We're all BMW people. This is a community.

However we all have the right to share our likes and dislikes.

If any of my posts has shown any slander, or hate towards another because of what they like or dislike, then please show me. Because i know i did no such thing.

You can be a car enthusiast and still like EV's dude. An EV is a CAR. We are CAR PEOPLE.

I already said it in this thread i like new tech. I like evolution. EV is the future and it's happening now. But some of the posts, yours included implied that EV isn't happening, and that it's some hoax (i know you didn't say that word) that all of a sudden we'll wake up one day, open up an internet browser and see an article saying, "No more EV's, car makers are going back to 100% ICE".

All i said was that it's happening sooner than we think. Because the transition is already taking place. Pair that with how fast battery technology is moving in, and we're going to see the transition even faster IMHO. I didn't say ICE will be dead TOMORROW. Didn't say you won't see ICE cars on the road in 2030. I didn't say ICE cars are dumb. I didn't say ICE cars are no good.

I'm saying we're seeing glimpses of what they're about. Look at the plaid, the taycan turbo s. The E-tron. Affordable cars like the model 3/Y performance. Those aren't slow cars. As time goes on, charging/battery technology will greatly improve so the issues people are having trouble with, will soon get trumped by improved technology towards that.

Car makers we all know of today are working on EV's. So if you think a tesla is ugly. That's fine. Not everyone thinks they look good. But guess what? Your favorite car maker will be making an EV that will appeal to your liking from a cosmetic point of view, while being EV. There is nothing wrong with change brother.

I'm not sure what you mean by nonchalant. Like i don't care with what's going on and yet i'm excited about it too?

No that's wrong. I do care what's going on. The point i am making which no one can top the argument to is, what can we do about it?

We can't do anything about. You can keep your ICE car. And then what? It gets older and older and older and then becomes obsolete. Ok nothing wrong with that. You have an ICE toy you cherish. That's fine. I'll have one too. It'll be my C8Z.

But yes i'll be driving an EV as well. No doubt about that. I'm getting my first EV in spring.

You kind of ignored what I said and then went on a grand lecture tour. NP

[MadBimmeRad]

Originally Posted by BGM-M3COMP

LOL you're right.

Or on a REALLY good day when you're in one of these in the future, and you can hear an ICE car take off for a brief second before you destroy it seconds later

I wish they had another camera fixed on the rear to see where the MB ended up. Nevertheless, very impressive indeed.

[BGM-M3COMP]

Originally Posted by MadBimmeRad

I wish they had another camera fixed on the rear to see where the MB ended up. Nevertheless, very impressive indeed.

The plaid put greyhound bus lengths on the MB

A lot of these plaid vs "X" ICE cars are usually the same. ICE car gets the hit while the plaid goes into cheetah mode, then the plaid literally pulls it right in and blows it away.

It's really insane. I never got a chance to ride in a plaid but i will soon. I'm afraid though once i do, that's it, i'm definitely hooked lol.

[WickedBMW]

Here's something to ponder. It's seems that by 2025 BMW will have 25% of their cars electric.

ICE, ICE Baby

https://f90.bimmerpost.com/forums/sh....php?t=1883608

[MadBimmeRad]

Originally Posted by BGM-M3COMP

The plaid put greyhound bus lengths on the MB

A lot of these plaid vs "X" ICE cars are usually the same. ICE car gets the hit while the plaid goes into cheetah mode, then the plaid literally pulls it right in and blows it away.

It's really insane. I never got a chance to ride in a plaid but i will soon. I'm afraid though once i do, that's it, i'm definitely hooked lol.

I hear you

Recently, I test drove a Volvo SUV. Gutless is all I can say for the turbo 4-cylinder. Then they put me into their all electric XC40 which is basically a RAV4 on steroids; 300kW ready on tap.

It got me interested enough to enquire about the i4 M50 - butttttt - I got a call from my rep moments later saying, "if you want a M4 CSL, place your (substantial) bets now" - the i4 took a back seat (literally and figuratively lol).

It could go either way depending on if I'm lucky enough to get allocation for the CSL

[BGM-M3COMP]

Originally Posted by MadBimmeRad

I hear you

Recently, I test drove a Volvo SUV. Gutless is all I can say for the turbo 4-cylinder. Then they put me into their all electric XC40 which is basically a RAV4 on steroids; 300kW ready on tap.

It got me interested enough to enquire about the i4 M50 - butttttt - I got a call from my rep moments later saying, "if you want a M4 CSL, place your (substantial) bets now" - the i4 took a back seat (literally and figuratively lol).

It could go either way depending on if I'm lucky enough to get allocation for the CSL

I thought of leasing an IX 50? I think that’s the electric suv from bmw but for the price they’re charging, Tesla stomps on it in everything. Range. Power, the supercharging network, price etc. that’s why I’m going with Tesla. It’ll be fun experimenting with different ev’s in the future to meet my daily driving needs.

I happen to like the way Tesla looks, even though the build quality seems questionable sometimes. It’s not always consistent. But to me they look futuristic.

The future def looks fun!

[SickGTR]

Originally Posted by BGM-M3COMP

I saw a plaid this past sunday. He could've ate me for lunch (no homo lol). I didn't know it was a plaid because he was behind me. And i was going to downshift and leave him.

But it's a good thing i didn't, because he rolled up next to me and gave me a thumbs up, and just rolled on by, then i saw the plaid badge and i was like oh fuck. Good thing i didn't mess with that lol

The great thing about a car like the plaid is. It's fast when you want it. And not when you don't want it lol.

Otherwise why do we have M3's? That logic can apply to ANY performance car. We should all drive 18 second cars then. That's enough for the commute.

That's why you need AWD M3 with a 1000
Ponies my friend. At least you have a chance from a roll.

[MadBimmeRad]

Originally Posted by BGM-M3COMP

I thought of leasing an IX 50? I think that's the electric suv from bmw but for the price they're charging, Tesla stomps on it in everything. Range. Power, the supercharging network, price etc. that's why I'm going with Tesla. It'll be fun experimenting with different ev's in the future to meet my daily driving needs.

I happen to like the way Tesla looks, even though the build quality seems questionable sometimes. It's not always consistent. But to me they look futuristic.

The future def looks fun!

My best friend was looking to replace his wife's Range Rover with a Porsche Cayenne but the dealer didn't have the one she wanted to test drive.

In the meantime, they drove the Taycan. In his words, "it felt like my skin was being peeled off of my face", that's how fast the acceleration was apparently - not to mention the supreme build quality (but I guess I just mentioned it lol)

In my case, I just can't say no to the CSL even though it doesn't make any sense as I will never take it to the track and will probably drive it 500 miles a year. If EV invasion is more rapid than many think, then I suppose it's safe to assume it will be the last of its kind given CSLs come once every 15 or 20 years. On that basis, I'll have to have one for one last hurrah.

But, I will be looking into the EV side of things with a bit of vigour come 2024 (assuming my CSL will be here early to mid-2023)

[Chicane_]

I understand CSL deliveries start next summer. Hopefully we'll receive them before 2023.

[BGM-M3COMP]

Originally Posted by SickGTR

That's why you need AWD M3 with a 1000
Ponies my friend. At least you have a chance from a roll.

No thanks. Out of warranty bmw making that much power? Lol

Not a chance. At that point I’d get a plaid and run with another plaid lol