[Prossx]

Originally Posted by forcefed

We need that vegan material, redo the survey!

Edible seats and upholstery?

[Jimjamz]

They really f@$&ed up following Tesla down the no buttons route. And we all know how Tesla’s UX is now perceived in the market.

The irony is I counted almost 18 buttons on my current m3 steering wheel and stalks - so the wheel guys really didn’t get the memo!!

If you want to know how to do a great sport luxury interior - I vote the 992 as best in class. It uses digital and voice well, with tactile buttons for climate, adaptive modes, suspension, audio and a few others so you can stay focused on the road.

[Skyscraper]

Originally Posted by G80indy

Smart truck. Seats shouldn’t heat unless there’s a person in the seat

If that was the case I couldn't use the seat heater to help keep the pizza hot on the ride home.

[Berzerker]

Originally Posted by Jimjamz

They really f@$&ed up following Tesla down the no buttons route. And we all know how Tesla’s UX is now perceived in the market.

The irony is I counted almost 18 buttons on my current m3 steering wheel and stalks - so the wheel guys really didn’t get the memo!!

If you want to know how to do a great sport luxury interior - I vote the 992 as best in class. It uses digital and voice well, with tactile buttons for climate, adaptive modes, suspension, audio and a few others so you can stay focused on the road.

The fact they chose to ship a dash that has the steering wheel block 40% of the sections of the instrument cluster automatically invalidates them being considered for good.

[Bimmerfun82]

Originally Posted by G80indy

What is the basic difference between 8 and 8.5?
After doing a little YT research, I like the ID8 homescreen better. I use the knob anyways…. And the shortcuts.

Color scheme and square climate buttons instead of round ones. Also more configurable instrument cluster.

[kiw1]

Originally Posted by Bimmerfun82

The biggest problem for me is when I’m doing manual climate options - there’s probably voice commands that I haven’t learned yet.

That's my issue as well, and I live it daily rotating between 8.5 and 7. My wife and I still laugh at how bad it is, despite having owned the 24 X5 for 4 months.

[NorCalAthlete]

I guess I'm one of the rare few who never uses "auto" mode for climate control. Depending on how I'm feeling I may want it warmer or colder than usual, and there are times I set it to max heat or cold. Sometimes I use the seat heaters / steering wheel in conjunction, sometimes I don't.

Maybe I'm finishing at the gym and it's 55 out - I'm still hot and don't want to be blasted with 75 degree heat, I want to cool down.

Maybe it's 65 out but there's a stiff breeze and fog - I'm cranking it up a bit more than usual.

Mainly, I don't like getting blasted with loud air when it kicks into high gear to try and get the temp "just" right, and it annoys me when I can hear the fans going up and down periodically as it maintains the temp. I'd rather it take an extra minute or two to reach the ambient temp I want without the noise.

[Needsdecaf]

Originally Posted by NorCalAthlete

I guess I'm one of the rare few who never uses "auto" mode for climate control. Depending on how I'm feeling I may want it warmer or colder than usual, and there are times I set it to max heat or cold. Sometimes I use the seat heaters / steering wheel in conjunction, sometimes I don't.

Maybe I'm finishing at the gym and it's 55 out - I'm still hot and don't want to be blasted with 75 degree heat, I want to cool down.

Maybe it's 65 out but there's a stiff breeze and fog - I'm cranking it up a bit more than usual.

Mainly, I don't like getting blasted with loud air when it kicks into high gear to try and get the temp "just" right, and it annoys me when I can hear the fans going up and down periodically as it maintains the temp. I'd rather it take an extra minute or two to reach the ambient temp I want without the noise.

Maybe you should actually try it? Auto mode doesn’t do any of those things you described on my car.

[kgelfen360]

Originally Posted by NorCalAthlete

I guess I'm one of the rare few who never uses "auto" mode for climate control. Depending on how I'm feeling I may want it warmer or colder than usual, and there are times I set it to max heat or cold. Sometimes I use the seat heaters / steering wheel in conjunction, sometimes I don't.

Maybe I'm finishing at the gym and it's 55 out - I'm still hot and don't want to be blasted with 75 degree heat, I want to cool down.

Maybe it's 65 out but there's a stiff breeze and fog - I'm cranking it up a bit more than usual.

Mainly, I don't like getting blasted with loud air when it kicks into high gear to try and get the temp "just" right, and it annoys me when I can hear the fans going up and down periodically as it maintains the temp. I'd rather it take an extra minute or two to reach the ambient temp I want without the noise.

So just leave it in auto and click down temp and then when u cooled off from the gym put it back to 67. It’s pretty easy. I never have issues with it. I have fan set to medium. I literally never go into the climate menu. Just click temp down or up a few degrees.

[MJBO]

Originally Posted by Berzerker

The fact they chose to ship a dash that has the steering wheel block 40% of the sections of the instrument cluster automatically invalidates them being considered for good.

That is not my experience, I can see the whole instrument cluster just fine.

[geko29]

Originally Posted by MJBO

That is not my experience, I can see the whole instrument cluster just fine.

Same for me. I can even see the bezel around the screen, so it's not like it's even close. Perhaps if one was very tall, removed the front seat and drove from the rear, AND the steering wheel alignment was way off, it might be problematic.

[Needsdecaf]

Originally Posted by MJBO

That is not my experience, I can see the whole instrument cluster just fine.

Originally Posted by geko29

Same for me. I can even see the bezel around the screen, so it's not like it's even close. Perhaps if one was very tall, removed the front seat and drove from the rear, AND the steering wheel alignment was way off, it might be problematic.

I believe Berzerker was referring to the 992, which the post he quoted was making out to be an example of a good dashboard. In which case, I definitely agree. It's extremely hard to see the outer 20% of each side of the dash in a 992. And a Taycan. Somehow my Cayenne is a bit better in this regard...maybe 10% on each side is blocked.

[Berzerker]

Originally Posted by geko29

Same for me. I can even see the bezel around the screen, so it's not like it's even close. Perhaps if one was very tall, removed the front seat and drove from the rear, AND the steering wheel alignment was way off, it might be problematic.

Originally Posted by MJBO

That is not my experience, I can see the whole instrument cluster just fine.

I'm talking about the 992, not the G80.

[Ankarah]

It’s one of those ‘favs’ that will come and go, like the rising/flipping headlights or wooden panels on the side of station wagons.

It will just take some time for everyone to realize how silly they are, and not at all futuristic or practical.

[Needsdecaf]

Originally Posted by Ankarah

It’s one of those ‘favs’ that will come and go, like the rising/flipping headlights or wooden panels on the side of station wagons.

It will just take some time for everyone to realize how silly they are, and not at all futuristic or practical.

What, screens? You're joking, right? Do you realize how much money they save manufacturers?

Not a fad whatsoever.

[Berzerker]

Originally Posted by Needsdecaf

What, screens? You're joking, right? Do you realize how much money they save manufacturers?

Not a fad whatsoever.

I'm skeptical on the whole "it saves money" spiel. For every physical button that's removed, software needs to be developed to replace that button. Sure you save on hardware, but you increase software costs. And, knowing how expensive software development is in 2024, that's what leaves me sketpical.

This whole thing started with Tesla and I'm of the firm believe they went this route because they were better with software alone than integrating both, and other manufacturers saw it as "futuristic" and pushed it for marketing purposes, but not because of cost savings.

[MJBO]

Originally Posted by Berzerker

I'm skeptical on the whole "it saves money" spiel. For every physical button that's removed, software needs to be developed to replace that button. Sure you save on hardware, but you increase software costs. And, knowing how expensive software development is in 2024, that's what leaves me sketpical.

This whole thing started with Tesla and I'm of the firm believe they went this route because they were better with software alone than integrating both, and other manufacturers saw it as "futuristic" and pushed it for marketing purposes, but not because of cost savings.

I don’t see any possible way a few lines of code shared across multiple models can cost more than building entire physical control panels (that also require software/firmware to operate) that will need to be installed in every one of those models.

[Berzerker]

Originally Posted by MJBO

I don’t see any possible way a few lines of code shared across multiple models can cost more than building entire physical control panels (that also require software/firmware to operate) that will need to be installed in every one of those models.

Same back at you though, the button setup used in the G8x is/was the same as across the entire 2-3-4 series lineup (and the Supra).

If you want to go across "tiers", the 5 and 7 series use different software as well, so even different hardware button setups are met with differences in software now, as well.

[geko29]

Let's be clear, the software that does the work has to be developed regardless whether the control is in a screen or not. The hard button just activates the same routine that the screen widget does. Nothing changes there, this stuff has been software controlled for ages.

The only real difference from a development perspective is creating the UI control. That is certainly far cheaper than designing, prototyping, and manufacturing the physical button. And the UI elements are re-used across platforms, unlike the buttons where the full design cost must be borne per interior layout, and the production costs assumed per unit.