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Does anyone expect him to say something negative about the G8X?
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Yes, many are waiting for reviewers' detailed reports after driving the production G8X at length in their home countries.
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Wanna see where this would be now, pretty sure the C02 hasn't improved : Noticed in their weight video, a full tank doesn't even cover 400 km range ... that's not much ... maybe the onboard computer is calculating this because the previous usage was heavy and consumption was especially high but for a car that is not even break in it's weird... Last edited by thaalrasha; 01-13-2021 at 06:00 AM.. |
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F8x was tested according to the NEDC (New European Drive Cycle) test cycle that wasn't very hard. The G8x is tested according to the WLTP (Worldwide Harmonised Light Vehicles Test Procedure) which is more real world relevant and also closer to the US (EPA) test cycle. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Worldw...Test_Procedure NEDC vs WLTP explained: https://www.daimler.com/sustainabili...tp-part-2.html Here an industry average of 22% increase in CO2 is expected when testing NEDC cars under the WLTP test cycles. But individual differences have ranged from far lower values to much higher values than that. 199g/km x 1,22 = 242g/km (but in reality this figure could be much higher than 242g/km, or indeed lower. But as the claim CO2 has been reduced it isn't lower than the G8x WLTP numbers). The G8x Comp has a WLTP CO2 of 230-234g/km while the base (MT) has 235-240g/km. - |
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01-13-2021, 08:16 AM | #184 |
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Does anyone seriously planning to buy a car on the same year it launches?
I always buy the last year of the model. Feels a lot safer and all the kinks are out. This might be extreme, but first year is extreme as well. Me think. |
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1) I know what my F80 CS weighs and the equipment it has, basically nothing. No CCB, no comfort access, no center console, nav, heads up display 2) DIN weights comparing the G8X and all its variants have been available for some time. So we don't need to speculate about the G82 to G80 delta, the 6MT to 8AT delta, the weight of the CF seats, etc 3) The G82 in the video is said to have 'minimal options', but still has nav as that cannot be removed just like the F8X generation. What options could the G82 not have that my F80 CS has? HUD? Do you think that's a significant source of weight? For sure it has a center console which must weigh something and my F80 CS does not have. The only WAG I see is your statement that 'the heaviest F82 is lighter than the lightest G82'. We don't know that at all. The F82 they use in the video is lighter than my F80CS so I don't think it's 'the heaviest F82'. |
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01-13-2021, 09:21 AM | #187 | |
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My M4cs came in at ~3,550lb with a full tank (95%+), MPE, iron brakes, PSC2 tires (they are heavier than the PSS) and M-mobility kit removed. Your M3cs weighs in the high end of what I estimated here, so I assume it is pretty loaded.
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The rear sunshade is likely adding weight, but not much, it is incredibly flimsy. And yes I have HK, but so does the G8X so there's little to no weight delta there. HUD is something the G8X doesn't have stock, so that is adding weight. When I weighed the CS it was with a completely full tank and completely stock otherwise, so PSS tires and whatever mobility/safety stuff the car comes with. Exactly the same way I weighed my E92 and E46 back in the day. And exactly the same as I'll weigh a G8X if I get one. When looking at DIN weights for the F80CS and F82 CS, I see: F80CS: 3659 My F80CS: 3657. So I'm within 2lb of the homologated weight. F82 CS: 3648 Your F82CS: ~3550. You are ~100lb lighter than the homologated weight from BMW. |
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According to the M4cs press release (see attached), the EU weight without driver is 1,580kg. Auto Motor & Sport, Autobild and SportAuto weighed their test M4cs at 1,600kg, 1,602kg and 1,609kg respectively. All below but close to my own M4cs (mine does not have CCB). Interestingly, AM&S show the DIN weight at 1,655kg, but their test car weighed 55kg less at 1,600kg (see screenshot below). It seems like the revised DIN regulation now has vehicles homologated quite heavier than they are on the street. As a tidbit, you'd be surprised, the weight of those 5 sunblinds add up to over 5kg, I was surprised myself when I looked it up in ETK. That being said, it is not only the sunblinds that make the difference, but a few kg here and there do eventually add up.
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I have seen a lot of weights throughout the years of people's cars with aftermarket wheels, or without pieces of standard equipment, or without a completely full tank that are radically different than what I get in a similar car. To this day people tell me it's impossible my E46 M3 weighed 3500lb, or that my E92 M3 weighs 3600lb. Maybe it's impossible or maybe I weigh my cars with zero modifications. For euro weights I use a euro datasheet, like this: https://www.km77.com/coches/bmw/seri...m3/m3-cs/datos https://www.km77.com/coches/bmw/seri...cs/m4-cs/datos |
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Cooling System. M3 and M4 - explained, Episode 02. .. is this the "why the grill is so big" episode?
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So they did, physics of a car’s driving dynamics is not limited to weight in a vacuum. I’m sure there will be some complaining about the size and/or weight as there always is since M cars aren’t small feather weights. But I do suspect the vast majority will call it a significant overall upgrade.
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And no mention of the glorious weight distribution figures (53/47) that BMW has boasted and been appraised for, while comparing the weight of an apple to that of a pear... Looks aside, bad weight distribution on a big boat... We do not have to agree but favoritism must have boundaries as all things do
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