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Given that this is the very latest generation of BMW M engineering, we're enjoying a high level of performance further down market than is historically typical. I can't think of another car that delivers this level of overall performance that isn't either loud/raucous or exotic. Excluding electric cars, the lack of drama ("refinement") paired with this kind of handling capability and power is new to the market. Older cars that performed like this did things at lower speeds to remind you of what they are. With the G8x, your only clue is when you're actively extracting more and more G. |
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07-05-2021, 06:26 PM | #222 |
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The confinement actually bugs me a little.
When people ask me "how do you like it?" I find myself telling people " it's honestly too fast". The performance threshold is so high that I find myself breaking the law quite a bit more often than in my M2c. |
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07-05-2021, 06:46 PM | #223 | |
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I know exactly what you mean and I do my best to relate, but words can let me down. I do not want to suggest I do not like the G80C because that is FAR from the truth . . . it is an amazing piece of performance engineering . . . saying it is almost too good is probably accurate. At the end of the day, I have no doubt you and many others know what I am trying to relate . . . ///AVM |
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07-06-2021, 12:12 PM | #224 |
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Read a review of the new Turbo S. They criticized it as "being too perfect..." In a few years, I don't think anyone will be using terms like that to describe the new EVs only car world. Makes us appreciate what we have now all the more.
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07-06-2021, 12:25 PM | #225 | |
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My G80 M3 builds speed so incredibly fast, and so quietly, and with little to no fanfare in any of those physical sensations, that it's caught me off guard multiple times. Last week, I was stuck behind a CRV driving 5 under in the left lane, so I went to pass them on the right (I know, I know...). Put on my signal, turned my head to check blind spot as I was rolling on the throttle and all of a sudden I was within maybe a foot of eating that lane camper's rear end. I wasn't in sport mode, I wasn't mashing the gas - it was a gradual increase in throttle. This sounds like a new driver in a new car mistake, but I've NEVER had this happen before. |
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07-06-2021, 01:09 PM | #226 |
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You are doing a far better job than I have done in conveying the G80/82 dynamic . . . and in a lot fewer words. I guess there is a reason why the Miata is so popular among 'drivers.' My fear is that enthusiasts who do not own the G80/82 will interpret what we are stating as 'this car sucks,' when nothing could be further from the truth. There is simply a point when the G80/82 performance correlates with the driver's perception of that performance . . . getting these two lines to cross requires a fair bit of open roadway. ///AVM |
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07-06-2021, 07:42 PM | #227 | |
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It sounds like more of a smooth GT rocket.
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But to say smooth isn't exactly correct, it's still violent.. but it's so fast that the violence and drama you can achieve at street legal speeds are over very quickly. |
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07-07-2021, 09:24 AM | #229 | |
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Really, my only point: My two M cars have deleted pretty much all desire I have for anything faster. Unless you really have access to a LOT of track days every year, fast cars have gotten too fast for the streets...and for almost all drivers. The average driver should not be driving a sub-5-second (0-60) car. Despite our bravado, most of us on this board should not be driving a 3-second car on the streets. When the Model S first hit the streets, I was so impressed with the 0-60 they managed, now I think it's just dumb and irresponsible (at least in the cheaper Teslas). |
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Especially if the issues the m2c had are solved. |
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07-07-2021, 10:19 AM | #231 |
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Thank you for your comments It reminds me of that old interview question, 'what is your weakness?' To which, you are supposed to take a strength and make it into a weakness. My G80C is so fast and highly engineered that it can be frustrating at times. Yet, there are already numerous enthusiasts eager to tune their G80/82. What in the world will they do with more torque/power? ///AVM |
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07-07-2021, 12:04 PM | #233 | |
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This summarizes my thoughts on the low level of mandatory driver training in the US and Canada.
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Some of them probably also baught some dick enlargement pills on the internet.
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07-07-2021, 02:52 PM | #235 | |
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Modern performance cars have so much more than can be used on the street stock there’s no real reason to add power. Having said that I understand the fun in tinkering and there’s no real reason to even own one of these cars, yet here we are. |
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07-07-2021, 09:22 PM | #236 |
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Is the F87 a drivers car? . . . I say yes.
Is the G80 a drivers car? . . . I say no. Will the G87 be a drivers car? . . . ??? I'm going to enjoy the G80C for a bit because IT IS A GREAT CAR. . . I believe I will increasingly find myself wanting to get back into a drivers car. The G80C has really been an eye opener when it comes to a car outperforming the capabilities of the common roadways. . . or, at least, rules of the roadways. Will keep a loose eye on the G87, but currently more focused on anticipated release of 992 Carrera T. ///AVM |
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07-07-2021, 10:26 PM | #237 | |
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I guess I will have 2 M2s in the end and might turn one of them into a track monster.
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07-07-2021, 10:58 PM | #238 |
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I do love this car don't get me wrong.
It absolutely rips, sounds really good, pulls insane lateral G's, turns heads, and is super luxurious. I'm really happy with this thing, and I just need to get more comfortable with ripping it as hard as it likes to be and possibly finally start tracking to really enjoy it to the fullest. |
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Nothing . . . I simultaneously owned the 718 CGTS and F87C, and realized I did not enjoy owning two visceral driving experiences simultaneously.
Not a matter of which was 'better.' Both visceral. Both great. Still, very different driving experiences. Decided I wanted to keep the F87C and continue to explore the ///M lineup. I find the G80C also offers that 'visceral' experience . . . but more like a rollercoaster than a go-cart. ///AVM |
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What is a "driver's car"?
This is a loaded term. Anyone trained to counter bias should be twitching whenever they read something asserting an undefined (and totally subjective) classification like this. Here is an example definition: https://www.carthrottle.com/post/w8g87ee/ And another: https://drivetribe.com/p/what-really...QA6GnkEhJ5XZsw And one more: https://www.autocar.co.uk/opinion/an...ly-drivers-car Examples, from yet another: https://motor-junkie.com/20-best-dri...-today/9193/3/ I'm sure some people will try to claim that a car is only a "driver's car" if it has a MT. It is 2021, so I'll likely claim that anything is a driver's car if it doesn't drive itself
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Case in point, I had a chance to drive a Rallyfighter on a track a few years ago. No one has ever said the Rallyfighter is a "driver's car" but I certainly would. It is an experience unlike anything else. But because it's not planted on the road and can corner at 1.2g it doesn't fit that category? Bull. Drive one and you'll giggle like a deranged idiot the entire time. Top 3 driving experience for me. We need to stop using that term to define if one vehicle is better than another. *steps off soapbox and gets back to work* |
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