[eric325ci]

Originally Posted by BryanCO

Built/arriving car would be a 2023 and would have the 2023 MSRP.

I should have been more specific. The vehicle is an M4 comp xdrive and is indeed an MY2024. The question is: Will the price reflected on the dealer build sheet be the price that is honored? Or will I be paying today’s new price?

[BryanCO]

Originally Posted by eric325ci

I should have been more specific. The vehicle is an M4 comp xdrive and is indeed an MY2024. The question is: Will the price reflected on the dealer build sheet be the price that is honored? Or will I be paying today’s new price?

Pretty sure the M4 had a price increase at the transition from MY23 to MY24, just like the M3. It’s just that the M4 transition/increase occurred earlier in the calendar year.

Did the M4 increase again this month? I didn’t think so but I’m not following the M4 as I’ve been in the M3 market.

Regardless, for a car that’s built and in route, you should have a binding buyers contract with the price which would not change. And the car would have been ‘built/priced’ based on the current (and potentially previous) pricing structure.

[ASAP]

it was never really a good value... $80k all things considered is somewhat a lot for a beefed up 3 series... $90k is absurd

[OGM1]

Originally Posted by echtors

Wow - I've heard 10k off on M4, but not much on M3's... That's a jackpot

10K below MSRP? That's less than invoice. No way a dealer takes a loss like that just to move an M4

[vj123]

Originally Posted by echtors

Wow - I've heard 10k off on M4, but not much on M3's... That's a jackpot

Where did you hear 10k off a M4. Also was it a G82 or G83.

[echtors]

Originally Posted by vj123

Where did you hear 10k off a M4. Also was it a G82 or G83.

Georgian BMW in Ontario! G83

[vj123]

Originally Posted by echtors

Georgian BMW in Ontario! G83

Not really surprised to see those numbers from Canada on a G83. Also was it on a MY23? If so, dealer might be trying to clear their inventory for the next MY.

[vj123]

Originally Posted by FCS247

When you start getting close to the $100k range, you're in P Car territory (albeit a base model).

As specified in previous posts, P cars have seen significant MSRP increases in the recent past and the whole price spectrum has moved, not just the G8x. Most people might prefer a loaded G8x over a base P car. Also one has to have self restrain when ordering a P car as ticking a few boxes can significantly bump up the MSRP.

[hinckley]

I just picked up an MY24 G83 tonight from my dealer's lot. It was built before the price increase, and well-equipped, it stickered at just about $100k. Up until last year, I had been driving 911s for over 25 years. My last one, a well-equipped 991 GTS Cab, stickered for $154k and I bought it for $144k. A similarly equipped 992 GTS Cab stickers for $210k today and P has already announced a 7 - 10% increase for next year. For me, the 911 is the perfect car - performance, luxury and DD reliability. Sure, they used to be costly, but not crazy-priced for the whole package. But things have changed. I won't say that I can't afford one now, but I just won't spend my money that way, especially when an M4C gives you +80% of the 911 for less than half the price.

[LuckyBrand]

Originally Posted by evoi19

I was thinking about ordering another g80 but with the price hike and higher interest, I’m leaning away from it. I consider my current g80 a “deal” with the lower price and 0.9% interest rate.

This is kind of how I feel. Because of the speed of the price increases and interest rates in such a short time on all performance cars I almost feel like I stole mine in some ways and have no desire to upgrade anytime soon.

I absolutely still love the G80 though and it's a fantastic package that is hard to touch from other brands when compared apples to apples. Everyone else's prices have gone up as well so you just have to consider that when comparing regardless of the insanity it is.

[smithf80]

The base MSRP of my '18 F80 was 66,500 and we're now at 76k base. It's outta control.

Certain circumstances have made it worth it for me, but those aside, I probably wouldn't have gotten this car. I just don't think its makes sense for that much money.

[geko29]

Originally Posted by smithf80

The base MSRP of my '18 F80 was 66,500 and we're now at 76k base. It's outta control.

$66,500 in 2017 dollars is $82,508 today. If you bought at the end of the MY in 2018, then it'd be $80,541. So today's M3 is cheaper than your F80 in real dollars.

[hinckley]

Originally Posted by smithf80

The base MSRP of my '18 F80 was 66,500 and we're now at 76k base. It's outta control.

To be fair, we've gone from pandemic pricing when cars weren't moving at all and it was a total buyer's market, to a market that's impacted by post-pandemic inflation and pent-up demand. The script has totally flipped.

I have a good buddy who's driven M6s and then an M8 for many years. He leased his last M8 in 2020 when BMW and BMWFS where just throwing money at anyone who even thought about buying a car. To replace that car today, his lease payment would have increased 50%. Instead, he's picking up a new M4C in a couple days and his lease payment will decrease by only about $100/month. It's not just an outta control world, it's a world that's totally flipped upside-down in just a few months time. And you can't blame BMW for that.

[kgelfen360]

Originally Posted by hinckley

To be fair, we've gone from pandemic pricing when cars weren't moving at all and it was a total buyer's market, to a market that's impacted by post-pandemic inflation and pent-up demand. The script has totally flipped.

I have a good buddy who's driven M6s and then an M8 for many years. He leased his last M8 in 2020 when BMW and BMWFS where just throwing money at anyone who even thought about buying a car. To replace that car today, his lease payment would have increased 50%. Instead, he's picking up a new M4C in a couple days and his lease payment will decrease by only about $100/month. It's not just an outta control world, it's a world that's totally flipped upside-down in just a few months time. And you can't blame BMW for that.

That sounds pretty accurate in terms of pricing.
Inflation in US and Europe is pretty bad over last few years so make sense they keep increasing prices. Input costs gone up for sure plus labor force cost is up too.
I think this is partly the reason u see 911 market so crazy too. U can’t get new one and if u can it’s like 150+ plus for anything relatively nice. So then people turn to used.
But prices on any of these cars are not going to go down any time soon. Sure BMW can offer deals and such and some people will benefit but MSRP won’t go down. And when next gen of hybrid comes it’s not going to be any cheaper.
These are the prices because dollar value is less m.

[fanofbmwe46]

The real steal these days…

is a ‘24 M2… S58 6spd $64K..

[FCS247]

Originally Posted by smithf80

The base MSRP of my '18 F80 was 66,500 and we're now at 76k base. It's outta control.

Certain circumstances have made it worth it for me, but those aside, I probably wouldn't have gotten this car. I just don't think its makes sense for that much money.

I have that same feeling.

I guess when I made the direct comparison to Porsche, it wasn't really my intent to make it a M3 vs Porsche thread.

More so, at nearing $100k, are there better options now?

At $85k, I just couldn't find anything better personally. I know a lot have cross shopped the Blackwing and Alfa QV but I felt the M3 still was better.

Originally Posted by fanofbmwe46

The real steal these days…

is a ‘24 M2… S58 6spd $64K..

Yeah, very true.

I think most can get it without ADM, which is really good. The F87 with 10k~ miles I still see listed at $60kish.

[OGM1]

Originally Posted by smithf80

The base MSRP of my '18 F80 was 66,500 and we're now at 76k base. It's outta control.

Certain circumstances have made it worth it for me, but those aside, I probably wouldn't have gotten this car. I just don't think its makes sense for that much money.

In all fairness, base model Honda Accord was $23,345 in 2017. Now it's $27,295. About a 16% increase. An F150 has went up over 20% in price in the same time frame. The M base only went up about 14%.

[SushiM3]

The m3 price has actually stayed very consistent over the past few decades accounting for inflation. People who are complaining about the Msrp increases are simply in denial about the value of their money. It’s the equivalent of your grandparents complaining that a candy bar cost a nickel back in their day.

Compiled some prices to prove this:
Base prices below with 0 options.
Car - MSRP New (Adjusted for inflation to 2023 dollars)
2004 e46 M3 Base - 47100 (75,800)
2006 e46 M3 Base - 49000 (74,000)
2008 e90 m3 base - 53800 (76,000)
2011 e90 m3 base - 57000 (77,000)
2015 f80 m3 base - 62695 (80446)
2018 f80 m3 base - 67500 (81746)
2021 g80 m3 base - 69900 (78500)
2024 g80 m3 base - 76000 (76000)

Interestingly enough, it seems like the f80s were the worst deal of the bunch here, while a 24 g80 is practically identical to a 2004 e46.

[ASAP]

Originally Posted by SushiM3

The m3 price has actually stayed very consistent over the past few decades accounting for inflation. People who are complaining about the Msrp increases are simply in denial about the value of their money. It’s the equivalent of your grandparents complaining that a candy bar cost a nickel back in their day.

Compiled some prices to prove this:
Base prices below with 0 options.
Car - MSRP New (Adjusted for inflation to 2023 dollars)
2004 e46 M3 Base - 47100 (75,800)
2006 e46 M3 Base - 49000 (74,000)
2008 e90 m3 base - 53800 (76,000)
2011 e90 m3 base - 57000 (77,000)
2015 f80 m3 base - 62695 (80446)
2018 f80 m3 base - 67500 (81746)
2021 g80 m3 base - 69900 (78500)
2024 g80 m3 base - 76000 (76000)

Interestingly enough, it seems like the f80s were the worst deal of the bunch here, while a 24 g80 is practically identical to a 2004 e46.

You are seemingly forgetting that the last 3 years have experienced the worst inflation in over 40 years... most folks don't believe even the officially reported inflation numbers. That skews anything post 2019 massively... the 2018 F80 price seemed great to me but the last 5 years almost entirely need to be discounted.

Do we all agree inflation is out of control? sure... but that is mainly an effect of the last 3 years being completely out of the ordinary not 20 years of regular inflation. The G80x price went up 9k in just barely 3 years... nothing about that is remotely normal.

[kgelfen360]

Just fyi guys DollarTree store is now $1.25 so that’s pretty big increase.

[23109VC]

YES, the G82 is still a good value… even compared to a Pcar, because even at 100k for a new M car - you’re not getting into a comparable Pcar for remotely close to M3/M4 money. As others have said - if you want to compare similar performance, you are looking at $150k for a new 911.

I know… I’ve been toying with the idea of swapping out my M550 and getting into something more sporty. The top cars on my list are the 911 and M3/M4.I have test driven several M cars as well as several CPO 911s…both 991.2 and 992.

for pure fun, and no concern about practicality or price - the 911 is hard to beat. Once you drive a Porsche you understand why they are so popular, and why they cost what they do….

Once you factor in practicality and PRICE - the M car begins to appeal to a lot of us. If money is no object and you don’t need back seats - spend the extra $50k and get a 992 4S! If you have kids, need one car to “do it all” or you can stomach $100k but not $150k… an M3/M4 is a lot of car for the money.

[SushiM3]

Originally Posted by ASAP

You are seemingly forgetting that the last 3 years have experienced the worst inflation in over 40 years... most folks don't believe even the officially reported inflation numbers. That skews anything post 2019 massively... the 2018 F80 price seemed great to me but the last 5 years almost entirely need to be discounted.

Do we all agree inflation is out of control? sure... but that is mainly an effect of the last 3 years being completely out of the ordinary not 20 years of regular inflation. The G80x price went up 9k in just barely 3 years... nothing about that is remotely normal.

Inflation numbers are a lagging indicator. High inflation over the past 3 years reflects an economic climate where people have “too much” money. Labor shortages, higher wages, government stimulus, inflated asset prices etc.

I would imagine that a large majority of new M3 buyers (typically high income w2 employees, business owners, or asset owners) have benefitted from these as well.

While it is “abnormal” that the MSRP went up 8k in one year, what that really shows is that BMW was leaving money on the table and the M3 was selling at historically low prices in 2022. This is also backed up by the ADMs that people were paying that are largely gone now after BMW has raised the MSRP.

Also keep in mind that most car manufacturers make a margin of only 7-10% per car they build. If the cost of materials for the car went up by 7-8% due to inflation, BMW has no choice but to raise the MSRP a similar %, or they are making cars at a loss.