[FrozenGT]

BMW please start putting back buttons and creating a proper display control center for your M cars. Please stop placing a screen on the dashboard.

[stormlv]

It's all a cost cutting measure.

Hope no one believes that they really think this is better for the user.

It's an infotainment system that can be ported in all cars with 0 investment from "changing the dash" perspective.

You can customize the "dash" per car via software, which is peanuts.

I wanted to get an M3 and when I saw ID8 pushed there, I went for the M4.

Anyway, long story short, I don't think they'll move back to a normal design very soon...

We vote with our wallet ... I did my voting, will you?

[FrozenGT]

Not sure- 🤔🤔

[Tyga11]

Disagree. I wish I had ID8 and I love the displays. You are in the minority

[stormlv]

I don't get it. Why go to F82? You're comparing apples to oranges.

Compare a G82 with ID7 vs ID8

[stormlv]

Originally Posted by Tyga11

Disagree. I wish I had ID8 and I love the displays. You are in the minority

At the risk of turning this into another ID7 vs ID8 poll, I don't think I'm in the minority...

https://g80.bimmerpost.com/forums/sh...php?p=28933909
https://g42.bimmerpost.com/forums/sh...1924069&page=2
https://g42.bimmerpost.com/forums/sh....php?t=1991839

But regardless, I respect anyone's opinion, whether they like ID7 or ID8, but I don't think we can escape from the fact that it's a cost cutting feature, in the same way that putting the big screen on the Model 3 is...

[KevinGS]

ID7, ID8, doesn't matter to me. What I want most is the option for analog-looking gauges, even if they're digitized. I like circles for my gauges (or at least for the tach). If this were one of the display options for the gauges, I'd be thrilled...and would gladly prefer ID8. Without that, ID7 is just fine for me.

Soon, I believe more manufacturers will offer analog-looking gauges as one of the display options, and I look forward to that. Some already do it, and I applaud them. Waiting for BMW to catch up. Porsche gets it.

[FrozenGT]

Well, the issue here is that society has been brainwashed into thinking that they have to have a screen everywhere. you’re told you have to have a screen.
Think about how much time a day you spend sitting in front of a screen and if you think it’s a little bit of a brainwash method, you have a TV screen in your home you go to work you have a computer screen you get in your car, you have another screen on top of the screen that you look at on your smart device.

[ScullyD]

Originally Posted by FrozenGT

BMW please start putting back buttons and creating a proper display control center for your M cars. Please stop placing a screen on the dashboard.

Sorry, how is this a positive of what BMW should follow? This new Porsche display looks terrible. I don't want this much screen and then also physical controls on top of that. Its terrible.

[ScullyD]

Originally Posted by Tyga11

Disagree. I wish I had ID8 and I love the displays. You are in the minority

Yeah minus the bugs, the concept of ID8 is fantastic and much better than what Porsche has cooked up. Its a minimal amount of screen that is needed to function.

Porsche just made a Cayenne look like its as complicated as a commercial plane. Thats not a positive thing.

[yousefnjr]

Cost cutting is welcome for a cheapo like me

[Tyga11]

Originally Posted by FrozenGT

Well, the issue here is that society has been brainwashed into thinking that they have to have a screen everywhere. you’re told you have to have a screen.
Think about how much time a day you spend sitting in front of a screen and if you think it’s a little bit of a brainwash method, you have a TV screen in your home you go to work you have a computer screen you get in your car, you have another screen on top of the screen that you look at on your smart device.

We are all free individuals and can do whatever we want.

Start taking accountability and stop blaming other people for staring at screens

[Humdizzle]

i dont mind screens if they are done right. the 992 and 458 italia did it well... large physical tach in the center. and screens to the left and right for whatever info you want.

not a fan of modern bmw stuff. clearly cost cutting. you can put that same ipad in every model. software guy will tweak the font, colors, redline, etc for $20.

[cubanbimmer3]

Originally Posted by Humdizzle

i dont mind screens if they are done right. the 992 and 458 italia did it well... large physical tach in the center. and screens to the left and right for whatever info you want.

not a fan of modern bmw stuff. clearly cost cutting. you can put that same ipad in every model. software guy will tweak the font, colors, redline, etc for $20.

Except on the 992 you can’t see two of your dials without looking around the steering wheel lol. Do love the interior though. Big step up from the 991, which had WAY too many buttons.

[T0RM3NT]

Person A: I like the color red.

Person B: I like the color blue.

Person B: Wait...red!? OMG, I can't believe you like the color red! Who in their right mind likes the color red!?

Person A: Me?

Person B: That is just so wrong! If I don't like the color red, then nobody should like the color red!

Person A: It's just my opinion. Know what that is? An opinion? Somebody liking a different color doesn't make them right or wrong over the other. It's not fact-based.

Person B:

[jm490]

This is how you perfectly integrate technology into a dash. Its perfect imo. BMW idrive 8 is a clusterfuck. It completely sucks other than the high quality screen you get, it is very crisp. I spent 3 days with idrive 8 in a 3 series. Not having an option to have a round tach or dial is absurd. Having to touch the screen to adjust temperature or fan speed is absurd. Sitting in the passenger side and seeing a kickstand is absurd. Its objectively shitty.

[mirob]

Originally Posted by jm490

This is how you perfectly integrate technology into a dash. Its perfect imo. BMW idrive 8 is a clusterfuck. It completely sucks other than the high quality screen you get, it is very crisp. I spent 3 days with idrive 8 in a 3 series. Not having an option to have a round tach or dial is absurd. Having to touch the screen to adjust temperature or fan speed is absurd. Sitting in the passenger side and seeing a kickstand is absurd. Its subjectively shitty.

FIFY

[wtwo3]

I was critical of iDrive8 in the beginning. I totally agree that it's a cost cutting measure.

That being said, I've now spent over 6 months with iDrive8 (6 months in my X7 and 2 months with my m3), and I have to say it really makes sense to me. The automation with iDrive8 is a significant improvement in execution. I rarely ever have a need to adjust anything... climate settings are all automated... my steering wheel heater, seat heater, fan speed - all adjust automatically to my desired level of comfort without me needing to lift a finger. Voice commands are also much improved. I recently took a trip to Toronto in my X7, and wanted to avoid tollways (my ipass apparently doesn't work up in Canada) - rather than digging through navigation menus to find the option to avoid tolls on the route... I simply said, "hey bmw, avoid tolls", and it worked like a charm. I find it's exceedingly rare for me to have to interact directly with the screen at all. Hell the other day I got a notification about my tire pressure, and I simply asked it to show me the tire pressure figures.

I think people who are critical of iDrive8 haven't spent a significant amount of time using it to realize it's actually very impressive. As for aesthetics, now that's purely subjective. I will say I do wish the screen was better integrated into the dash. I'm all for elimination of physical controls having had significant time with iDrive8... but BMWs integration of the screen is quite poor. I think BMW is at the top of their game (and class) when it comes to fit and finish, it's just unfortunate they decided against better integration of the screen.

[DO444]

Originally Posted by FrozenGT

BMW please start putting back buttons and creating a proper display control center for your M cars. Please stop placing a screen on the dashboard.

There is no doubt the Porsche has a better design.

But that being said, id8 is not bad at all.
I think everyone has heard the complaints, but using id8 on a daily basis and I do not hate it at all.

Is Porsche a better design?
Yup.

Do I miss the buttons?
Nope.

Does id8 work great?
Yup.

What is the issue with it that ya’ll hate so much?

I mean in reality, just buy a Porsche then if you hate it so much. I agree it looks terrible in photos, it really, really does. I also agree that I like Porsche’s design better. I just used it for a week and my whole family raves about awesome it looks and is.

But, to be completely Frank… id8 is great.
We enjoy that too.

Would I prefer a design like Porsche’s?
Yes, integrated is good.

Would I not buy the car based on this?
Of course not. It is hardly the catastrophe that some people are making it out to be. I like it. It’s extremely firm. The screen doesn’t move. It’s not flimsy at all, and it works great.

It’s also easily adjustable brightness and works well in all conditions. Again, yes the Porsche has a better design… but this id8 h8 is dumb.

[DO444]

Originally Posted by T0RM3NT

Person A: I like the color red.

Person B: I like the color blue.

Person B: Wait...red!? OMG, I can't believe you like the color red! Who in their right mind likes the color red!?

Person A: Me?

Person B: That is just so wrong! If I don't like the color red, then nobody should like the color red!

Person A: It's just my opinion. Know what that is? An opinion? Somebody liking a different color doesn't make them right or wrong over the other. It's not fact-based.

Person B:

This is all of society right now, everywhere you look, only thing you forgot is the person demanding the other be cancelled for their opinion.

[DO444]

Originally Posted by wtwo3

I was critical of iDrive8 in the beginning. I totally agree that it's a cost cutting measure.

That being said, I've now spent over 6 months with iDrive8 (6 months in my X7 and 2 months with my m3), and I have to say it really makes sense to me. The automation with iDrive8 is a significant improvement in execution. I rarely ever have a need to adjust anything... climate settings are all automated... my steering wheel heater, seat heater, fan speed - all adjust automatically to my desired level of comfort without me needing to lift a finger. Voice commands are also much improved. I recently took a trip to Toronto in my X7, and wanted to avoid tollways (my ipass apparently doesn't work up in Canada) - rather than digging through navigation menus to find the option to avoid tolls on the route... I simply said, "hey bmw, avoid tolls", and it worked like a charm. I find it's exceedingly rare for me to have to interact directly with the screen at all. Hell the other day I got a notification about my tire pressure, and I simply asked it to show me the tire pressure figures.

I think people who are critical of iDrive8 haven't spent a significant amount of time using it to realize it's actually very impressive. As for aesthetics, now that's purely subjective. I will say I do wish the screen was better integrated into the dash. I'm all for elimination of physical controls having had significant time with iDrive8... but BMWs integration of the screen is quite poor. I think BMW is at the top of their game (and class) when it comes to fit and finish, it's just [...]

This is my opinion as well.
I hated the look of of it… and now I really like it.

I’m about to just come out and say, whatever BMW does next I promise to like, because they’ve got me 2/2 now with the grill and the screens.

These designs are very different than what people are used to and it’s causing a real heartache for many. But, in practice… they are actually great.

I genuinely enjoy id8.
I have come to think it looks good too. Way overblown. It does not look good in photos, I will admit that, but the system itself is great.

[kjx]

Originally Posted by T0RM3NT

Person A: I like the color red.

Person B: I like the color blue.

Person B: Wait...red!? OMG, I can't believe you like the color red! Who in their right mind likes the color red!?

Person A: Me?

Person B: That is just so wrong! If I don't like the color red, then nobody should like the color red!

Person A: It's just my opinion. Know what that is? An opinion? Somebody liking a different color doesn't make them right or wrong over the other. It's not fact-based.

Person B:

Except, to push the analogy further. the controversial color in question is some tasteless hot pink and the alternative is something a lot for enthusiasts find attractive.

Now imagine every new car of a model came only in one color and that color was hot pink. And the older version only came in a conventionally attractive color for enthusiasts.

That is a much closer analogy for the iDrive versions. What most people mean by that specifically is the dash integration and the lack of physical buttons - not so much the software itself.

Nobody cares about the people who like the hot pink - they are entitled to enjoy it. The issue is that they think they’ll only be satisfied if the majority validated their choices and said hot pink is “not so bad once you have it for a while” and things like that.