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Well as I said before what I have absolutely seen in the real world is sales are higher on the G80, at least initially, then they were on the F80. Significantly higher. Will that last? I have no idea. We will know in five years. I’ve also seen in the real world that the people who complain the most about the new grille are those who are emotionally or financially invested in the F80. I did not say they are the only people complaining about it I’m just saying that they seem to have the loudest voices, that I have observed anyway.
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I find the non-Comps look too plain and you have to squint to make sure it's not a regular 3 or 4 series. The Competition models stand out better and as you say color makes a big difference.
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Dear lord, the G80 is anything but plain! I'm a 6MT fanboy, but I have a hard time understanding why the base M4 would be faster than the M3 Comp...
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Full Auto vs 6MT. The driver is not selecting the gears in full auto. If the comparison was between a M3 Comp in S3 vs M4 6MT the M3 would be faster. You lose a lot of time, speed, momentum when not in the right gear.
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I find some of the comments here absolutely hilarious. I guess I’m one of the lucky early F80 drivers who escaped with his life, despite the car having tried to kill me numerous times. I should probably buy a lottery ticket, see if the luck holds.
On the other hand, I’m glad the G80 has the driver’s best interest at heart. All joking aside, I look forward to seeing them on track…
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….all for a lower price of entry. For example, 2003 WS6 Fire hawk Camaros and SVT Mustangs used to absolutely romp on E46 M's, especially from a roll. The American muscle was faster in the 1/4 mile too. I used to see Camaro's, 'Stangs and Vettes at autox events in the early 2000's putting in work on the Germans (…with lower tech….push rod, etc.). Case in point: https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.mot...camaro-ss/amp/ It has been like this for 20 years. …and I love these old comparo articles: https://www.stangbangers.com/home/20...pe-cambiocorsa M3 owners have always understood the competition was equally as fast or faster, but we went with the Germans for the tech/innovation, the quality and all of the other intangibles that don't translate into objective performance numbers. We love(d) our M's, but they were not necessarily kings of the performance hills. When it came to performance and modifications, American muscle was potent and for less financial outlay. I still remember the first time I ever rode in a modded SVT. My god was that car an animal. |
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Even if you take the ZL1, a much better and more expensive car than the GT, it starts at 60k with all the options you'd want. |
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GT500 starts at $74,095 Camaro ZL1 starts at $65,895 G80 M3 base manual starts at $70,895 |
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Go build one. If you put the engine in it would need to have a prayer of keeping up with the G80 i.e. becoming it’s equal then it starts at $70,000 and it goes up from there considerably. As does the ZL1. You know we do have a pretty good cheap 3 series ourselves in the BMW line up that starts around 40K? Let’s keep this apples to apples shall we? If we do then my statement is dead on accurate. |
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The ZL1 is cheaper than the G80, although obviously not to the same extent as the Mustang GT. Frankly speaking, if all we cared about was performance, we'd all be driving Zl1s as they represent the single greatest performance bargain on sale today (especially with the track special 1LE package). The Mustang GT is even cheaper still (at 37k, as you noted). You can't "spec out at GT to a GT500", as the GT500 isn't a trim level, it's a car onto itself. At the core of the issue I think we agree though - the G80 is more expensive AND slower than the American counterparts, but comes with a ton of other benefits that can't be measured on a track or drag strip. |
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