[Skyhigh]

Originally Posted by snareman

Can you take it through a car wash?

Absolutely. And some people do that on a regular basis. It will even have less of a visible effect on it than on a glossy paint job where you will instantly get swirls!

If you value your car (matte or glossy) and/or you are a car-enthusiast however, you would never do that to any car!
My standard, glossy paint-job Audi has not seen an automatic car wash since 2014.

[Skyhigh]

Originally Posted by pgreen822

I hear what you are saying, but people like me that live in Chicago and suffer through brutal winters with snow/salt don't have the ability to hand wash the car when it's -20 degrees. I need the ability to run it through a touchless wash now and again. I know I can do that with a metallic paint, but would never think of doing it with the Frozen. I believe you can go through a touchless with Xpel, thought, right?

Zero problems with touchless washes, as long as you don't use products which add gloss.....
(If you do - you will simply temporarily(!) ruin the look of the car)

Frozen paints are not made out of "frozen yoghurt" guys!

[MBM340]

Not a fan of the new grills but with this color it almost hides it. That is one mean looking machine there...

[Wayner]

Originally Posted by Skyhigh

Absolutely correct. 👍🏼

I second that. I find its as easy as a gloss finish.

[s1s2rn]

Sinister!!! Love It!!

[Scrippy]

That car looks awesome minus that one attribute we all hate up front. I really like the side skirts and how they swoop wide smoothly!

[snareman]

Originally Posted by antzcrashing

If you are an enthusiast you dont take even a metallic paint through a carwash, even if it says touchless.

A few cars ago I would go to the DIY wash with my own bucket, soap, mit, etc. I was really just there to use their soft water. It was almost therapeutic bonding time with my car. I eventually realized that I'm not going to stand outside in the winter to wash my car and even in warm weather sometimes just don't have the time. I now have an unlimited monthly package at a local drive through wash. I'll put up with some slight swirls to have a clean car all the time.

[LOW4LYF]

Originally Posted by snareman

A few cars ago I would go to the DIY wash with my own bucket, soap, mit, etc. I was really just there to use their soft water. It was almost therapeutic bonding time with my car. I eventually realized that I'm not going to stand outside in the winter to wash my car and even in warm weather sometimes just don't have the time. I now have an unlimited monthly package at a local drive through wash. I'll put up with some slight swirls to have a clean car all the time.

This!

Same here after washing my F82 by hand only for 4 years... By the end I sold it, the guy use it as his track car.

[Skyhigh]

Originally Posted by snareman

A few cars ago I would go to the DIY wash with my own bucket, soap, mit, etc. I was really just there to use their soft water. It was almost therapeutic bonding time with my car. I eventually realized that I'm not going to stand outside in the winter to wash my car and even in warm weather sometimes just don't have the time. I now have an unlimited monthly package at a local drive through wash. I'll put up with some slight swirls to have a clean car all the time.

A matter of personal choice. I prefer driving a dirty car in the winter (as dirty as it can be after a 10min contact-less foam and power wash), than having always accumulating swirls 365 days a year.

How do you keep a car clean in the winter? You don't.

But back to the topic - you wouldn't have any problem doing what you do with a frozen. This said - if you don't care about your car exterior, why waste money on anything else than a basic paint-job.

[JRV]

Probably the best pic I have seen so far

[snareman]

Originally Posted by Skyhigh

A matter of personal choice. I prefer driving a dirty car in the winter (as dirty as it can be after a 10min contact-less foam and power wash), than having always accumulating swirls 365 days a year.

How do you keep a car clean in the winter? You don't.

But back to the topic - you wouldn't have any problem doing what you do with a frozen. This said - if you don't care about your car exterior, why waste money on anything else than a basic paint-job.

I keep a clean car in the winter by being able to wash it daily if I wanted to.

I think our versions of "don't care about your car" differ.

I don't think I'd ever get a frozen color, but had heard that they were rough to care for so I was curious if that had eased up.

[antzcrashing]

Originally Posted by Skyhigh

A matter of personal choice. I prefer driving a dirty car in the winter (as dirty as it can be after a 10min contact-less foam and power wash), than having always accumulating swirls 365 days a year.

How do you keep a car clean in the winter? You don't.

But back to the topic - you wouldn't have any problem doing what you do with a frozen. This said - if you don't care about your car exterior, why waste money on anything else than a basic paint-job.

I follow this same behavior. And since I am clearly a stickler for my cars, I feel that getting a frozen paint would be more stress for me than its worth. The frozen black M is tempting, but I dont see it for me. I would go Toronto Red or Black Safire

[Nahlem]

Originally Posted by Skyhigh

How do you keep a car clean in the winter? You don't.

Agree to an extend living in Sweden here, our roads during winter times is horrible with all the gravel, salt, grime and dirt on it. It is really a downer trying to keep a car clean during this time of the year.

I am though one of the lucky few i have an option at both work and at home, when i drive it between these two stops only i can just wash it off with warm water from a hose that's enough to keep it "clean" but it still needs a proper wash every two weeks. And i am able to to this indoors so the car doesn't freeze up when it hits 0c and below. As long as it is water only to keep the surface dirt from sticking to much on the car it won't create to many swirls on the paint.

[OF Hero]

Batmobile vibes.

[antzcrashing]

The tide of public opinion is turning. Check out the comments from this post: https://www.instagram.com/p/CJME_M-J...d=tfxvgprcyqou

[CanAutM3]

For me, it's not only about the grill. The rear quarter section just does not do it for me either, it is heavy set, bulky and very un-BMW. It does not connect properly with the front. The character lines start nowhere and and nowhere, I find little fluidity in the overall design. But that's just my opinion...

[FMLYSDN]

Originally Posted by CanAutM3

For me, it's not only about the grill. The rear quarter section just does not do it for me either, it is heavy set, bulky and very un-BMW. It does not connect properly with the front. The character lines start nowhere and and nowhere, I find little fluidity in the overall design. But that's just my opinion...

I would agree with this statement. Many have focused on the grills, but for me it's the overall design. Some areas that I find very unattractive are the door handles and the rear bumper. These are areas that just don't sit right. The door handles are so simple in their design they look out of place and emulate a Kia/ Hyundai. The protrusion of the rear bumper is just awkward. I am struggling with the entire design philosophy of the car. The grill could have worked if executed better. It's the overall design the let's it down.

[TargaM2]

Originally Posted by FMLYSDN

I would agree with this statement. Many have focused on the grills, but for me it's the overall design. Some areas that I find very unattractive are the door handles and the rear bumper. These are areas that just don't sit right. The door handles are so simple in their design they look out of place and emulate a Kia/ Hyundai. The protrusion of the rear bumper is just awkward. I am struggling with the entire design philosophy of the car. The grill could have worked if executed better. It's the overall design the let's it down.

Totally agree.
Just look at the G80 compared to the G82, the M3 looks great with bold lines & cohesive design, whereas the M4 is just horrid imo.
The grill is the least of the concerns with the M4 design, in fact it may be the only good thing about it.
It's so bland with no distinguishing features, it's almost 2 dimensional in appearance & so flat sided, the lines are just so soft & weak.
It certainly doesn't appear to have come out of the same design house as the M3.
The fact that if you took the badge off it you wouldn't know what brand it is speaks volumes.

[CanAutM3]

Originally Posted by TargaM2

Totally agree.
Just look at the G80 compared to the G82, the M3 looks great with bold lines & cohesive design, whereas the M4 is just horrid imo.
The grill is the least of the concerns with the M4 design, in fact it may be the only good thing about it.
It's so bland with no distinguishing features, it's almost 2 dimensional in appearance & so flat sided, the lines are just so soft & weak.
It certainly doesn't appear to have come out of the same design house as the M3.
The fact that if you took the badge off it you wouldn't know what brand it is speaks volumes.

The M3 also has many design oddities too though...

[antzcrashing]

Wish we could find the photographer and car owner. But his signature is illegible to me.

[babaikram]

Originally Posted by Skyhigh

Absolutely. And some people do that on a regular basis. It will even have less of a visible effect on it than on a glossy paint job where you will instantly get swirls!

If you value your car (matte or glossy) and/or you are a car-enthusiast however, you would never do that to any car!
My standard, glossy paint-job Audi has not seen an automatic car wash since 2014.

It is against BMW advice to take frozen coloured cars to car washes. The swirl marks would be indescribable

[Skyhigh]

Originally Posted by babaikram

It is against BMW advice to take frozen coloured cars to car washes. The swirl marks would be indescribable

Swirl marks remain vastly invisible on a frozen (matte) paint due to its nature. One of the advantages.

This said, I haven't seen any manufacturer endorsing the use an automatic car wash on any paint job ....