G80 has no formidable competition

geko29 · 01-01-2024, 07:57 AM

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Originally Posted by Bimmerfun82

If BMW offered it here in the states, it would sell like crazy. And too bad it’s not offered in manual form.

"sell like crazy" is probably a pretty dramatic overstatement. But I would have bought one, even if it meant giving up my third pedal.

Llarry · 01-01-2024, 08:10 AM

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Originally Posted by geko29

I would have bought one, even if it meant giving up my third pedal.

I'm with you on buying one, but not at the expense of my third pedal. My dream BMW would be a manual G81, which clearly will never, ever happen -- in Europe let alone the USA.

xxyion · 01-02-2024, 06:20 PM

I would LOVE an M3 Touring. I think they look so cool and i think the body style fits the front grill really really well. I'm not an older guy (38) but i've always loved performance wagons. Had a 2004 Bugeye WRX Wagon for a few years and loved that car. My friend loves his Mazda 3 Turbo which even though they call a hatchback, it looks more like a wagon than it does a hatchback.

I also LOVE hatchbacks as they are the next best option. I've had a Fiesta, Fiesta ST, Focus ST, GTI, Golf R and Veloster N. I'm definetly the kind of buyer that would snag an M3 Touring or AMG A45S instantly if they were sold here in the US. I do realize i'm a pretty small niche, but i'd say i have the purchase history to show that i do actually love Hatchbacks/Wagons.

I actually honestly believe the reason why Wagons dont sell well in the US is because we dont have enough performance variants at different price points. As some said there is the RS6 Avant, but you're dishing out 6 figures for that. Same goes with the Taycan Cross Turismo(a car i hope to get one of these days). I feel like if we had more performance variants that kept pace with the SUV market, we would have seen more wagons. Hatchbacks i can understand why dont do so well. Americans just dont like small cars and it's the enthusiast market that keeps it somewhat alive. But even a car as great as the Veloster N only got 3 years of production before it was replaced with the Elantra N. Pity too as that was actually one of the most fun cars i've ever owned and would have loved to see it evolve.

Diesel power · 01-03-2024, 09:24 AM

The whole wagon thing in the states is very circular "Noone buys them" but also, noone sells them. Enthusiasts clearly have a taste for wagons as each of the notable recent ones have had their own unique superlatives:
CTS wagon- V models outsold regular ones
RS6- commands big ADM's and are selling above sticker even used
E63 Wagon- Highest net worth owners of any model
Even the Volvo V60 wagon is only available as the "Polestar/Recharge" version and is basically sold out.
I had a F31 wagon and it was a FANTASTIC car, drove great, had excellent visibility, and gave me the flexibility to make a Home Depot run or go on a road trip with 2 kids and actually enjoy the drive. The problem was that they offered the 2 lowest engines in that car which definitely hurt it's appeal to enthusiasts, and also in comparison to the X3 which could be had with either of the "35" engines of the era.
Unfortunately, in the US, the economic case probably just isn't there, they would have to federalize the platform for what is already a relatively niche model for them (G8X) and then it would likely mostly cannibalize sales of higher volume G8X models or domestically made X3/X5M's that have higher margins.
Chalk me up as someone who would buy a G81 over a G80 any day, but also someone who knows it's NEVER going to happen.

Likeanowl · 01-12-2024, 04:15 PM

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Originally Posted by Needsdecaf

What an amazing observation. Just because your circle of influence does not perceive wagons as desirable does not mean that translates to everyone.

Nice try though.

No dude I was being serious.

G80M3_Latte22 · 01-12-2024, 07:14 PM

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Originally Posted by robopp

T, right? I absolutely love my Carrera T manual in shark blue. It really is a perfect balance. No way I need more power at 3200lbs

Can you elaborate on this about T? I have been eyeing a 911 for a while but can't pull the trigger mainly due to outrageous ADM. I can't get over the fact that G80 M3 has 473 HP and I have to get to 911 GTS to get to 473 HP where the price is more than double! T is an interesting choice but it is less than 400 HP...

robopp · 01-14-2024, 07:34 AM

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Originally Posted by G80M3_Latte22

Can you elaborate on this about T? I have been eyeing a 911 for a while but can't pull the trigger mainly due to outrageous ADM. I can't get over the fact that G80 M3 has 473 HP and I have to get to 911 GTS to get to 473 HP where the price is more than double! T is an interesting choice but it is less than 400 HP...

I was concerned about the lack of HP, but it is more than sufficient. Pulls hard from down low all the way to redline. The handling, noises (road, engine, everything since they pulled out a lot of the sound insulation and LWG), and transmission make it an experience to drive. Plus, if you want more power after a tune, just throw the S/GTS turbos on it since everything else is the same. I honestly don’t think it needs it though.

Needsdecaf · 01-14-2024, 07:45 AM

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Originally Posted by Likeanowl

No dude I was being serious.

G80M3_Latte22 · 01-14-2024, 11:00 AM

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Originally Posted by robopp

I was concerned about the lack of HP, but it is more than sufficient. Pulls hard from down low all the way to redline. The handling, noises (road, engine, everything since they pulled out a lot of the sound insulation and LWG), and transmission make it an experience to drive. Plus, if you want more power after a tune, just throw the S/GTS turbos on it since everything else is the same. I honestly don’t think it needs it though.

Thanks for responding. So which one do you like to drive better? The T or M3? I may have to keep the M3 too if I want to get a 911. M3 as a daily drive and 911 as a weekend car. But I have to wait until my kids finished college 😩

robopp · 01-14-2024, 02:41 PM

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Originally Posted by G80M3_Latte22

Thanks for responding. So which one do you like to drive better? The T or M3? I may have to keep the M3 too if I want to get a 911. M3 as a daily drive and 911 as a weekend car. But I have to wait until my kids finished college 😩

To be fair, I don’t have a G80. I have a X3MC and a M340 though. However, I’ve driven a G80 probably 5 times. The T without a doubt, but there’s not a ton of space in it. The frunk is big, but grocery shopping big not Home Depot big. I think a 991 CT and a G80 X-drive would make a killer combo. I’m biased, but a X3MC and a 911 CT make an even better combo. As I said before, the T experience is way more engaging and raw than anything a G80 could ever provide.

01-02-2024, 06:20 PM	#113
xxyion Captain 761 Rep 786 Posts Drives: 2024 M4 Competition xDrive Join Date: Dec 2019 Location: Fremont CA iTrader: (0)	I would LOVE an M3 Touring. I think they look so cool and i think the body style fits the front grill really really well. I'm not an older guy (38) but i've always loved performance wagons. Had a 2004 Bugeye WRX Wagon for a few years and loved that car. My friend loves his Mazda 3 Turbo which even though they call a hatchback, it looks more like a wagon than it does a hatchback. I also LOVE hatchbacks as they are the next best option. I've had a Fiesta, Fiesta ST, Focus ST, GTI, Golf R and Veloster N. I'm definetly the kind of buyer that would snag an M3 Touring or AMG A45S instantly if they were sold here in the US. I do realize i'm a pretty small niche, but i'd say i have the purchase history to show that i do actually love Hatchbacks/Wagons. I actually honestly believe the reason why Wagons dont sell well in the US is because we dont have enough performance variants at different price points. As some said there is the RS6 Avant, but you're dishing out 6 figures for that. Same goes with the Taycan Cross Turismo(a car i hope to get one of these days). I feel like if we had more performance variants that kept pace with the SUV market, we would have seen more wagons. Hatchbacks i can understand why dont do so well. Americans just dont like small cars and it's the enthusiast market that keeps it somewhat alive. But even a car as great as the Veloster N only got 3 years of production before it was replaced with the Elantra N. Pity too as that was actually one of the most fun cars i've ever owned and would have loved to see it evolve.
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01-03-2024, 09:24 AM	#114
Diesel power Second Lieutenant 168 Rep 263 Posts Drives: 24 Q8 E-Tron 24 M3 CX Join Date: Aug 2014 Location: LI, NY iTrader: (0)	The whole wagon thing in the states is very circular "Noone buys them" but also, noone sells them. Enthusiasts clearly have a taste for wagons as each of the notable recent ones have had their own unique superlatives: CTS wagon- V models outsold regular ones RS6- commands big ADM's and are selling above sticker even used E63 Wagon- Highest net worth owners of any model Even the Volvo V60 wagon is only available as the "Polestar/Recharge" version and is basically sold out. I had a F31 wagon and it was a FANTASTIC car, drove great, had excellent visibility, and gave me the flexibility to make a Home Depot run or go on a road trip with 2 kids and actually enjoy the drive. The problem was that they offered the 2 lowest engines in that car which definitely hurt it's appeal to enthusiasts, and also in comparison to the X3 which could be had with either of the "35" engines of the era. Unfortunately, in the US, the economic case probably just isn't there, they would have to federalize the platform for what is already a relatively niche model for them (G8X) and then it would likely mostly cannibalize sales of higher volume G8X models or domestically made X3/X5M's that have higher margins. Chalk me up as someone who would buy a G81 over a G80 any day, but also someone who knows it's NEVER going to happen.
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