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      10-09-2021, 07:42 PM   #221
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You do realize the B58 had this recall shortly after launch as well, correct? They had a manufacturing issue with the thrust bearing. It was a simple inspection and if there was damage, you replace the engine. If there was no damage you replaced the thrust bearing, which was very simple with the engine in the car.

Everyone losing their mind here is comical. There's no repair process or inspection available.

Relax ladies and gentlemen. These cars will be fine.
If this is a crankwalk issue, you can read about it, online. Thrust bearing failures, are the absolute biggest pain in the ass, ever. If you followed DSMs, back in the 1990s, you would have known that dealers were replacing thrust bearings on their 4G63 motors, and they would last a few thousand miles, and walk, again.

There were entire race shops that would absolutely not build one of these motors, even if you were replacing the crank, rods, and pistons, with something they sold, because they still walked.

And whats crazy is, they didnt start having the problem until the motors were older, usually more than 40K miles, but once the first one walked, people were having the motors rebuilt, under warranty, 2-3 times, because they just kept crankwaking.

They were literally rebuilding motors that hadnt crank walked, strengthening the bottom end with forged components, and putting the motor back in the car, and it would crankwalk, even after the stock motor had never done it. I hope this isnt a thrust bearing issue we are going to be chasing for years to come. I know, calm down, we dont know what the deal is, Im just sharing a story.
I owned a car with a 4G63, not for long because it's like an egg- if you stepped on it, it would break.

Although I have not looked at the parts information or recall the spec from taking a quick look at the training material, the B58 uses a single sided thrust bearing. If this is the same, AND that's the issue, it's actually quite simple. For the B58 BMW shipped a bearing and a special tool that simply went into the oil galley in the crank and pulled the bearing out. Roll the other one in just the same. Those had severe wear at least than 10 miles due to a manufacturing issue with the bearing, so most of those got engines. That was the same as the B38 in the Minis as well since the engine are modular and use the same components and effected cars with a manual transmission. The repair was not much more invasive than an oil pan gasket really, if it was caught early. Although that was a stop drive campaign, not a delivery stop. Obviously that campaign had a higher failure rate than this one does. It doesn't stop everyone from getting their panties in a bunch though. :
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Seriously? I’m 1 of 50 freakin cars?
As am I if the UK site is to be trusted .

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      10-09-2021, 08:24 PM   #223
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As am I if the UK site is to be trusted .

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My production is 7/21 but according to the Uk website my car isn't part of the recall. So seems like not all cars produced in those months are affected?
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I guess the electrification of M cars can start now.
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This is great. More delays upon delays. Now they are going to open up the engine to install this. I was already worried them screwing something up by installing the RAM module since it won't be factory installed. Now this.
God forbid a manufacturer fixes a known issue for free.
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Yikes.... digging deep in the engine to replace that puppy too. I HIGHLY doubt they will replace engines rather than repair. Many people will be very against having their brand new cars engine completely torn apart to do the repair.... I don't blame them either.
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This is why you wait and never by the car it's first new model year.
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This is why you wait and never by the car it's first new model year.
The car has been available as a 2021, and now a 2022. The motor has been installed, in the X4M for a few years, already. The AWD system, not available on the 2021 models, is new for 2022, however, that system was lifted from the already popular F90 M5.
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Thanks for sharing this... Cannot believe there are so many issues for a 2021+ M-model car, so disappointing......
What other issues have there been? I know there are delays due to chip shortages and obviously this bearing one. Anything else?
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What other issues have there been? I know there are delays due to chip shortages and obviously this bearing one. Anything else?
the chip shortages are affecting EVERY manufacturer, tho...
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After finally convincing myself the face doesn't look "that bad" then hearing this I would be canceling if I could. And pissed if I had one in my garage.
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This thread has definitely gotten out of hand. This recall only effects a small number of cars during a small window of production. It's not wide spread. Also this is definitely nothing like the rod bearing issues that plagued every single E9X M3, we're talking maybe two hundred cars possibly effected. BMW is obviously aware and they will remedy the situation for their customers. Will this suck to go through if you have this recall…YES, but BMW will 100% get this issue fixed and this will be forgotten in a year. Let's all calm down, this news never should have been given to the public on a Friday but what can you do. We'll know more next week. Everyone have a great weekend!
Let me see: I spend $100K on a new car and the dealer needs to pull the engine before I take delivery. Sales guy that has worked at the dealer for 3 months says do not worry about it. All good since the oil change guy has been promoted to a tech and he says BMW warranty will cover any issues. I feel for the people that are impacted. This is a big deal.
What will be an even bigger deal, is if it gets extended. Was it just a few hundred bearing sets that were out of spec or more?

I used to own an E36 328i SE that had a short block under warranty due to the bore wear issue (Alusil/Nickasil) which was blamed on high sulphur fuels. Also affected a friends E39 528i. With that one, some of dealers got good at the work and looked for the issue in cars that were in for service. They spotted mine through rough idle.

This debacle did get them some bad press though, as they were slow to react when the first cars started having issues.
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My production is 7/21 but according to the Uk website my car isn't part of the recall. So seems like not all cars produced in those months are affected?
It's the engine assembly that they will have tracked and where the bearing shells were sourced from.
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Wow, this thread is going nuts. Everything from the G80 haters finding new ways to slam the car to folks losing their minds and thinking they should park the cars indefinitely.

I’m lucky that so far, my car isn’t affected but if it were (and maybe it will be) I’ll keep driving it and deal with it when the time comes. Now…if I had an affected car that I hadn’t signed the paperwork for…that’s a different story. I don’t think I would accept a car with a potentially major engine issue.

All of the talk about “That’s why I never buy a first year car” or “wait for the LCI” is dumb. 1. You could be dead tomorrow. 2. A lot of things change with the LCI cars which could introduce a new set of variables to go wrong. I bought what was an essential LCI AMG C63, it was a lemon so that doesn’t always help.

G80 haters, quit looking for new ways to bash the car. You’ve got folks who put their money down and are stressed and you’re just sneaking dumb derogatory comments in at their expense. BMW engine issues are not limited to this car and you know it.

Fellow G80 owners who are stressed, do your best to let go of this until you’ve got more information…information that you can actually take action on. If you’ve got an inbound car…I wouldn’t sign the papers to take ownership. My 2 cents and good luck to us all.
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Wow, this thread is going nuts. Everything from the G80 haters finding new ways to slam the car to folks losing their minds and thinking they should park the cars indefinitely.

I’m lucky that so far, my car isn’t affected but if it were (and maybe it will be) I’ll keep driving it and deal with it when the time comes. Now…if I had an affected car that I hadn’t signed the paperwork for…that’s a different story. I don’t think I would accept a car with a potentially major engine issue.

All of the talk about “That’s why I never buy a first year car” or “wait for the LCI” is dumb. 1. You could be dead tomorrow. 2. A lot of things change with the LCI cars which could introduce a new set of variables to go wrong. I bought what was an essential LCI AMG C63, it was a lemon so that doesn’t always help.

G80 haters, quit looking for new ways to bash the car. You’ve got folks who put their money down and are stressed and you’re just sneaking dumb derogatory comments in at their expense. BMW engine issues are not limited to this car and you know it.

Fellow G80 owners who are stressed, do your best to let go of this until you’ve got more information…information that you can actually take action on. If you’ve got an inbound car…I wouldn’t sign the papers to take ownership. My 2 cents and good luck to us all.
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If you've got an inbound car…I wouldn't sign the papers to take ownership. My 2 cents and good luck to us all.
Just curious…if your advice/opinion is to not take ownership if possible…then shouldn't the others who are caught in limbo right now decoding webpages info in the right to stress and piece together what their situation is?

I'd wanna try and know as early as possible so I could start digesting and processing how to respond.

Good luck to everyone affected, I'm sorry you're going through this. My wife had a faulty 2014 X5 we had to let go after 6 months. Replaced it with a 2015 Tahoe we had to let go after a year. Lightening struck us twice back to back on first model year purchases. Now our 2021 Tahoe has been great.

I feel for ya. Hang in there! Do your research, set it down, walk away, and come back later to continue.
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Wow, this thread is going nuts. Everything from the G80 haters finding new ways to slam the car to folks losing their minds and thinking they should park the cars indefinitely.

I'm lucky that so far, my car isn't affected but if it were (and maybe it will be) I'll keep driving it and deal with it when the time comes. Now…if I had an affected car that I hadn't signed the paperwork for…that's a different story. I don't think I would accept a car with a potentially major engine issue.

All of the talk about "That's why I never buy a first year car" or "wait for the LCI" is dumb. 1. You could be dead tomorrow. 2. A lot of things change with the LCI cars which could introduce a new set of variables to go wrong. I bought what was an essential LCI AMG C63, it was a lemon so that doesn't always help.

G80 haters, quit looking for new ways to bash the car. You've got folks who put their money down and are stressed and you're just sneaking dumb derogatory comments in at their expense. BMW engine issues are not limited to this car and you know it.

Fellow G80 owners who are stressed, do your best to let go of this until you've got more information…information that you can actually take action on. If you've got an inbound car…I wouldn't sign the papers to take ownership. My 2 cents and good luck to us all.
Avoiding a first year model and newer engine is not dumb. Statistically higher chance of having issues. Wouldn't keep me from pulling the trigger myself but it's certainly not a "dumb" assessment. Everyone had a different tolerance of risk.
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This thread has definitely gotten out of hand. This recall only effects a small number of cars during a small window of production. It's not wide spread. Also this is definitely nothing like the rod bearing issues that plagued every single E9X M3, we're talking maybe two hundred cars possibly effected. BMW is obviously aware and they will remedy the situation for their customers. Will this suck to go through if you have this recall…YES, but BMW will 100% get this issue fixed and this will be forgotten in a year. Let's all calm down, this news never should have been given to the public on a Friday but what can you do. We'll know more next week. Everyone have a great weekend!
Let me see: I spend $100K on a new car and the dealer needs to pull the engine before I take delivery. Sales guy that has worked at the dealer for 3 months says do not worry about it. All good since the oil change guy has been promoted to a tech and he says BMW warranty will cover any issues. I feel for the people that are impacted. This is a big deal.
What will be an even bigger deal, is if it gets extended. Was it just a few hundred bearing sets that were out of spec or more?

I used to own an E36 328i SE that had a short block under warranty due to the bore wear issue (Alusil/Nickasil) which was blamed on high sulphur fuels. Also affected a friends E39 528i. With that one, some of dealers got good at the work and looked for the issue in cars that were in for service. They spotted mine through rough idle.

This debacle did get them some bad press though, as they were slow to react when the first cars started having issues.
No. The E36 328 was an iron block inline 6 cylinder.

The nikasil block issues were only the M60 B30 and B40, which were aluminum block V8s in the 530, 540/740/840.

If you're going to spread BS at least have the right application. Some of us here know the truth and will call you out on it.
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Wow, this thread is going nuts. Everything from the G80 haters finding new ways to slam the car to folks losing their minds and thinking they should park the cars indefinitely.

I'm lucky that so far, my car isn't affected but if it were (and maybe it will be) I'll keep driving it and deal with it when the time comes. Now…if I had an affected car that I hadn't signed the paperwork for…that's a different story. I don't think I would accept a car with a potentially major engine issue.

All of the talk about "That's why I never buy a first year car" or "wait for the LCI" is dumb. 1. You could be dead tomorrow. 2. A lot of things change with the LCI cars which could introduce a new set of variables to go wrong. I bought what was an essential LCI AMG C63, it was a lemon so that doesn't always help.

G80 haters, quit looking for new ways to bash the car. You've got folks who put their money down and are stressed and you're just sneaking dumb derogatory comments in at their expense. BMW engine issues are not limited to this car and you know it.

Fellow G80 owners who are stressed, do your best to let go of this until you've got more information…information that you can actually take action on. If you've got an inbound car…I wouldn't sign the papers to take ownership. My 2 cents and good luck to us all.
Avoiding a first year model and newer engine is not dumb. Statistically higher chance of having issues. Wouldn't keep me from pulling the trigger myself but it's certainly not a "dumb" assessment. Everyone had a different tolerance of risk.
Is it statistically significant?
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