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      06-23-2022, 02:51 AM   #89
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The 5 to 60 makes me wish a N/A V8 or supercharger or, GASP, an EV was part of my garage. Daily driving an EV can be fun for me, but driving an EV enthusiastically was a major letdown. Doubt I'll ever use launch control, and in today's world of cameras/videos/congested PUBLIC roads, does anyone but a criminal actually launch or drag race outside a 1/4 mile strip or deserted rural road? I didn't buy my M4 to be a EV beating topfuel dragster, but it's still nice to see the specs. I'm reminded why I bought the BMW each time I laugh when cornering and accelerating out of a sweeping bend. Also thinking if a much lighter car, even when not abused with LC, will feel faster on hard acceleration and have added perk of "funner" cornering. (that last sentence typed by Captain Obvious)
Guess these questions are all small parts of why we're drawn to the cars we own or spend too much time reading about/dreaming about.
I too found this to be a little disappointing. I have an M3 xDrive on order, but the order is taking so long that I keep rethinking it. I can't believe that there's only a tenth between this car's 5-60 and the M2C 6MT...and I've happily relearned my stick shift driving to feel pretty comfortable launching it...though I try not to for the sake of the clutch. I know the car is infinitely faster at speed, but I'm just wondering if I'll be bored too quickly.
The best way to not get bored is to not doing boring things with it. Take it to the track!
Speaking of taking it to the track. Nürburgring track times.

7:52:36 M2 Comp
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Am I the only one impressed by the performance/fuel economy ratio?

29mpg highway! At <3 second 0-60 is insane engineering feat.
Honestly that was my favorite part of the entire article lmao. I already knew this thing was blistering fast!
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Slower than the F90 M5....kind of surprised given the M4 is lighter.
I think C and D tested the M5 base at 2.6.....which is surprising because I thought I read somewhere the M5 Comp actually tested slower than that.....maybe 2.7.
What I want is to see CarWow do a race with an M4 Comp xDrive, an M5 Comp and an M8 Comp.
M4 will lose to both, M5/8 are monsters in straight line, dig or rolling.
M4 beats them on corners
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M4 will lose to both, M5/8 are monsters in straight line, dig or rolling.
M4 beats them on corners
Except the M4 just did 0-60 in 2.8seconds and the 1/4 mile in 11.0 @ 125mph. I'm pretty sure you can find results for the M5 that are worse. Car & Driver tested the M5 Competition and got these results: "60-mph run of just 2.8 seconds and a quarter-mile blast in 10.9 seconds at 128 mph."

Seems like a pretty fair fight to me. The M8 blows them both away though, I think.
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Wow, this car will have high insurance premiums for sure
Insurance premiums are determined by collision rate(s), cost, location where the vehicle is stored/registered (…e.g…theft rate(s)), etc…..not simply performance. Example: the insurance rate is/was cheaper on my Panigale V4 than it was on the cheaper [and lesser performing] 899/V2. Why? The cheaper bike is easier to attain and the collision rates were higher. My 992 C2S is a few dollars cheaper to insure despite being twice as expensive as my prior M4.
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That's like asking to see a camel, an elephant, and a horse doing a race

These are radically different cars
They're close enough in acceleration figures that driver error would play a part in who wins that race.

M4c - 2.8s to 60... 1/4 mile in 11.0s @125mph... top gear 50-70mph in 2.8s
M5c - 2.8s to 60... 1/4 mile in 10.9s @129mph... top gear 50-70mph in 2.4s
M8c - 2.5s to 60... 1/4 mile in 10.7s @129mph... top gear 50-70mph in 2.4s
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M4 will lose to both, M5/8 are monsters in straight line, dig or rolling.
M4 beats them on corners
They're close enough in acceleration that driver error would play a role in who wins the race.
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Forget carwow... what I wanna see are those U-drag races that Edmunds has been doing. That would be awesome to watch between the 3 M cars.
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That's like asking to see a camel, an elephant, and a horse doing a race

These are radically different cars
No, it's like taste testing 3 different types of oranges. They're the 3 main M cars and I think it would be a neat race. The Porsche 911 is a RADICALLY different car compared to an M3/4, but people compare them all of the time.
Grant you, interesting, it would certainly be
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That's like asking to see a camel, an elephant, and a horse doing a race

These are radically different cars
They're close enough in acceleration figures that driver error would play a part in who wins that race.

M4c - 2.8s to 60... 1/4 mile in 11.0s @125mph... top gear 50-70mph in 2.8s
M5c - 2.8s to 60... 1/4 mile in 10.9s @129mph... top gear 50-70mph in 2.4s
M8c - 2.5s to 60... 1/4 mile in 10.7s @129mph... top gear 50-70mph in 2.4s
On those grounds,I don't disagree. My point was 8 cylinders against 6
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A few things to consider that haven't been brought up:

1) The 60-130 time is one of the best markers for how "powerful" a car will feel on the road. The time of 9.2 for the M4Cx will blow away the M2C that people keep referencing. Impressive.

2) Unless I've missed it…..Dragtimes was one of the first reviewers of the xDrive M3/4 when it came out last year. Without looking it up, didn't he get a 3.1 (2.9 w/1 ft rollout) on the Dragy? And his quarter mile time was very similar to a MT's time. So again….the MT time is not some massaged anomaly….people are really getting times like that if all the conditions are just right (tire pressure, humidity, temp, etc.).
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On those grounds,I don't disagree. My point was 8 cylinders against 6
Here's a race between a camel, elephant, and horse:

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On those grounds,I don't disagree. My point was 8 cylinders against 6

Here's a race between a camel, elephant, and horse:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UOgWknnvOoI&t=183s
Astonishing how the Porsche happens to be the elephant in this race

18000 RPM 💥 mind-blowing
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      06-23-2022, 06:38 AM   #102
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I've been a car and driver subscriber for years, but reading those comments...lol
Whether in print or online, the most hateful, negative and butthurt group of readers you'll find. Car make or model doesn't matter either
I just realized last week that my C&D subscription expired over a year ago. That's how much I missed it. It used to be really good.

As for the comments (which no longer show up-for me anyway-on the web page) yes, the anonymity of the Internet can truly generate some interesting and often quite disturbing thoughts.

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Funny how different the C&D's take on the manual is from motortrend's.
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They're close enough in acceleration that driver error would play a role in who wins the race.
This is something often forgotten. I am an incredibly good driver, but I know there are a lot of people out there much better, faster and younger than me.

A lot.
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Given these performance results, is there a quicker car you can buy for less than the M4 Comp xDrive's base price of $79k?
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Given these performance results, is there a quicker car you can buy for less than the M4 Comp xDrive's base price of $79k?
Quicker, as in quarter mile? If so….maybe Dodge?
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The number is actually 100 and then yes the gear shifts are slower.
Are you both specifically referring to the G8x BMW’s?

Where exactly are you getting that number?

I would like to put my eyes on that document.

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Speaking of taking it to the track. Nürburgring track times.

7:52:36 M2 Comp
7:28:57 M4 Comp xDrive
I did an 8:45 bridge to gantry in my 2022 M3 AWD on the Nürburgring.
That is a real world time for an amateur driver. I've done multiple laps on the ring and the G80 feels at home on the track.
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Quicker, as in quarter mile? If so….maybe Dodge?
Maybe in a perfect world. In the real world, it seems like they can never get the power down and get a great launch. The Dodge Challenger Hellcat Redeye looks like it would be the car that would beat the M4 as it has a base price of $78,745 and claimed 10.8-second quarter-mile. But when Car & Driver tested it, the best they could do was 11.8 seconds.

https://www.caranddriver.com/reviews...e-first-drive/
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For what it's worth, to you both, have a chat to your service manager and ask why does BMW occasionally void the car warranty of a car where launch control has been used too often.

It's a revelation no one should miss out on
Oh I am not disputing that if someone is pushing the LC button five times in each commute, it’s excessively hard in the car.

I am looking for data, not anecdotal stories.

And as an example, the car mags have all said that my ‘13 WRX is a 4.7 second 0-60 car. I think that might be true, but I have only tested that theory perhaps a handful of times in the past decade. Getting a max launch in a manual AWD car means leaving a bit of the clutch at the line to keep the engine in the power band. Who likes the smell of burning clutch? I have been extremely judicious about doing that, and drive it like a 5.2-5.5 second car. Unless I want to replace the clutch every year or two, which I don’t. It is just not a hole shot car, and that is not applicable to even enthusiast street driving. I don’t street race.

For the record I intend to treat the M3 the same way. LC will be used sparingly, and rarely.

But I am trying to nail down the data behind this versus the internet rumors.
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They do factor in the stress and limit LC to 100 times before the transmission slows down the shifts when in use.
100 lifetime?

And where is that documented?

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For what it's worth, to you both, have a chat to your service manager and ask why does BMW occasionally void the car warranty of a car where launch control has been used too often.

It's a revelation no one should miss out on
Oh I am not disputing that if someone is pushing the LC button five times in each commute, it’s excessively hard in the car.

I am looking for data, not anecdotal stories.

And as an example, the car mags have all said that my ‘13 WRX is a 4.7 second 0-60 car. I think that might be true, but I have only tested that theory perhaps a handful of times in the past decade. Getting a max launch in a manual AWD car means leaving a bit of the clutch at the line to keep the engine in the power band. Who likes the smell of burning clutch? I have been extremely judicious about doing that, and drive it like a 5.2-5.5 second car. Unless I want to replace the clutch every year or two, which I don’t. It is just not a hole shot car, and that is not applicable to even enthusiast street driving. I don’t street race.

For the record I intend to treat the M3 the same way. LC will be used sparingly, and rarely.

But I am trying to nail down the data behind this versus the internet rumors.
That's why I suggested the service manager; hear it from the horses mouth
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