[vj123]

Originally Posted by Neptune7

Does the car come with a CF roof option?

No, based on reports in the other threads.

[Game]

Originally Posted by Neptune7

Does the car come with a CF roof option?

Pretty sure there will be no CF option...rather a gloss black. Someone please correct me if I'm wrong.

[wufpak]

Originally Posted by hellokitty

Looks like all of those "big screen" BMW retrofits that people did really came back and bit us all in the ass with iDrive 8.

I bet all the people in focus groups said "we want an ipad sized screen like a Tesla"

I'm sure marketing focus groups are a big reason behind why automotive interiors are like this today, the average idiot probably thinks "touch screens are fancy" while never having used one while driving before. I'd assume the other reason is that it costs a LOT less. Touch screens are cheaply sourced today. Obviously I don't know exactly how things go at BMW, but having worked in supplier quality assurance at another OEM, I'd assume that the more controls you can put in a single module, the less testing you'll need to do for QA. Probably easier on sourcing/procurement too.

I've had a car with touch screen-based HVAC and heated seat controls, and can say it simply results in a worse user experience. A lot of people seem defending OEMs for this, but having a physical button for something such as a heated seat that you can press without looking at is just easier. And yes, I know that there's voice control, but it feels like a more complicated workaround than simply having physical buttons.

Either way it looks like my G05 will be the last new BMW I'll buy for awhile. I test drove an iX and thought iDrive 8 was a mess from a UI perspective.

[mthreesixty3]

the ZF is a downgrade from a DCT.

There is an noticeable lag when manually shifting & you don't feel the shift at all.

Needs tuning.

[Ragged Edge]

Originally Posted by ScullyD

Unfair characterization of the ZF8. It's amazing in cars like the M5 CS, Jaguar Project 8, and probably Alfa GTAm (never driven one, but I'm guessing) etc. Its been improved to be more aggressive with OTA updates in the new M4 and probably will be incredible in the CSL.

The M-DCT is an overrated transmission and this car is probably very well suited to the ZF8.

The point was, it's not a manual transmission. Sure the ZF8 is a great Automatic transmission…. but it's still an automatic.
This M3 Touring needs a manual transmission… for those of us that love to drive with more control and more engagement.
But if it isn't coming to North America… the point is moot.

[swagon]

This is going to sell VERY well.

Finally, BMW has stepped in the fast estate game after decades of missing out.

[swagon]

Originally Posted by Ragged Edge

The point was, it's not a manual transmission. Sure the ZF8 is a great Automatic transmission…. but it's still an automatic.
This M3 Touring needs a manual transmission… for those of us that love to drive with more control and more engagement.
But if it isn't coming to North America… the point is moot.

Would've been great to have a manual, but realistically speaking, it's not viable for BMW. Only you North Americans would buy some. ROW markets don't give a fuck about manual transmissions.

I bet xDrive is selling as well as Competition, if not better... and since this is a wagon, the case for AWD slushbox is that much stronger. xDrive Competition is thus the ideal variant for the majority of M3 Touring buyers.

[FC05]

Originally Posted by Ragged Edge

The point was, it's not a manual transmission. Sure the ZF8 is a great Automatic transmission…. but it's still an automatic.
This M3 Touring needs a manual transmission… for those of us that love to drive with more control and more engagement.
But if it isn't coming to North America… the point is moot.

No a wagon doesn't need manual gearbox.
Germans think rationally and practically, if you want driving engagement and want the control of the driving you may well just take M3/M4 with stick, the wagon is more about performance with practicality it's gotta be auto and ZF is easily much faster than manual.
I also miss those shortcut programable buttons, I wish they can be done the same over the touchscreen too.
And for you asking about the M car display on OS8
I found this on another M2 clip that might worth to see.

[sturgeongeneral]

Originally Posted by HotRodM4

I don't get the wagon obsession.

Isn't it obvious? Wagons offer better driving characteristics than SUVs, while offering the utility/cargo space that's traditionally only available in SUVs. They're the perfect all-around vehicle. And there are plenty of people who want one vehicle that can "do it all."

[JoeyBananaz18]

Yawn…. Wake me up when the decide to send it stateside

[mthreesixty3]

Originally Posted by FC05

No a wagon doesn't need manual gearbox.
Germans think rationally and practically, if you want driving engagement and want the control of the driving you may well just take M3/M4 with stick, the wagon is more about performance with practicality it's gotta be auto and ZF is easily much faster than manual.
I also miss those shortcut programable buttons, I wish they can be done the same over the touchscreen too.
And for you asking about the M car display on OS8
I found this on another M2 clip that might worth to see.

can you post the link to this video?

[Tyga11]

I don't think it looks good at all. It looks like a hearse. The best looking wagon is the RS6 - those things have insane road presence

[AndroidRobot]

Originally Posted by ScullyD

I'm just saying, not an opinion shared by everyone which is why M uses it. I've had two DCT cars and 2 ZF8 cars and would take the ZF8 over the DCT every day.

I know everyone has a preference. If you drive the card hard the ZF8 doesn't shine like a DCT. Now, if you want a fast car to commute and won't go crazy then the ZF8 is fine

[DarkstarZero]

Amazing! Placing my order now! Oh wait… BMW NA sucks.

[FC05]

Originally Posted by mthreesixty3

can you post the link to this video?

Originally Posted by mthreesixty3

can you post the link to this video?

Ok

[SteveChester]

Nice!

[Erebor]

Originally Posted by mthreesixty3

the ZF is a downgrade from a DCT.

There is an noticeable lag when manually shifting & you don't feel the shift at all.

Needs tuning.

You ever put in in S3? I both feel it pretty clearly and there is almost zero lag. Dunno what car you drive, but mine is as aggressive as the DCT was in the M2C.
But it's a given that S1 and S2 is only for automated gearshifts. Those are slow.

[khoa@x-ph.com]

[nicksm3]

Hey! That's cool …until it can come here in the states…I don't care to hear about this. Bring It HERE!!!!!!

[jwr0721]

Who else thinks the word "leaked" is over-used?

[ScullyD]

Originally Posted by Erebor

You ever put in in S3? I both feel it pretty clearly and there is almost zero lag. Dunno what car you drive, but mine is as aggressive as the DCT was in the M2C.
But it's a given that S1 and S2 is only for automated gearshifts. Those are slow.

Yeah and the DCT dump shifts when you turn it way up and all the aids off. It's worse the more aggressive you drive, which is why the F80 cars got panned for being dangerous (if it shifted mid turn, you could lose control of the car)

People in love with the DCT that are panning the ZF8 like the image of it and the aggressiveness of the shifts. Performance of the two are equal at this point when you factor in the DCTs traction loss for a RWD car.

[bholler]

I did not see this coming!