[Needsdecaf]

Originally Posted by M3WC

992 won't be a plug-in, so the battery is going to be quite small. The E-ray only has a 1.9kwh battery. In grand scheme of things it won't add much weight. Driving dynamics will be spared. XM is carrying around a 25.7kwh battery pack, which probably weighs in the neighborhood of 400+ lbs.

Agreed. Although the C63 has a small pack (4.8 kWh for about 6 miles of range) and still weighs in at an estimated 4,700 lbs. Sheesh, and we complain about the M3CX being fat at a THOUSAND pounds less.

I have high hopes for both the ERay and the 992.2. But we shall see.

[i4M50Guy]

Originally Posted by g21

with a petrol generator to replenish small battery pack

That’s the worst of all cases. Dino juice, a heavy engine and a battery all together. What’s the point? The Neue Klasse platform will have 30% range and charge speed improvements over current tech. An M car is about the power and the driving, not about how far it goes on a tank of petrol. A BEV M car will be incredible. My i4 M50 is already fantastic. The tech is getting better all the time.
Finally, which EVs have you driven?

[Needsdecaf]

Originally Posted by LemonOne

Sounds like it will be ICE for the next generation
I hate elctric cars, they are like cell phones, you don't keep your phone after 10-20 years, do you?

How exactly are they like cell phones?

[G30M]

Originally Posted by i4M50Guy

That’s the worst of all cases. Dino juice, a heavy engine and a battery all together. What’s the point? The Neue Klasse platform will have 30% range and charge speed improvements over current tech. An M car is about the power and the driving, not about how far it goes on a tank of petrol. A BEV M car will be incredible. My i4 M50 is already fantastic. The tech is getting better all the time.
Finally, which EVs have you driven?

iX, i4, Tesla Model 3/Y, Kia EV6 GT Line

they all drive way better than my BMW ICEs but can't go far. whereas i can drive 6 hrs a day without stopping in my M340i and M550i. where i live there are no chargers (rural), and my house have power cuts all the time. and i live in a developed country.

pottering about in town I would drive a Nissan Leaf

a quad axial motor BEV with self charging battery would be perfect for me

[techwhiz1]

Originally Posted by Jekkameister

If they decide to go electric, they will notice a steep drop off in sales and the increase in older combustion engine prices. You buy an M3 for the power, the looks, the sounds! Just because it’s electric and “the cool new thing” doesn’t mean that it’s actually a step forward. And what about 5 years down the line, when your battery capacity shrinks to a fraction of what it used to be new? Range decreases, power decreases, and nobody wants to deal with -electrical- issues- which is 90% of what happens with -electric- cars

What you just cited are just myths.
The battery capacity is guaranteed for at least 8 years and longer in California and 14 other states.

So no range decreases.
Power decreases?

So stop with the false narrative of electrics. There is demand for used electrics here in California. We aren't talking Gen 1 tech here.

[techwhiz1]

Originally Posted by SoCali E36

This will be the death of M if it goes all electric. I sell these cars and it’s pretty obvious what people prefer. All we have is electric models sitting around while the gas models continue to fly off the lot. And now bmw is tossing huge incentives at the electrics because they’re not moving.

Hell, there are over 300 XM’s out there not assigning to dealers sitting around in priorty 5 status. The XM should be the example bmw learns from. People with money don’t want electric or plug-in hybrids as performance cars.

Tell that to Rimac/Bugatti that is sold out of the Nivera and other hyper car builders.

Because "you" don't want one.

[fl1by]

yup

Originally Posted by Forzanerazzurri

Why is your entire profile full of cringey political rhetoric? This is a BMW forum bud.

[OGM1]

Originally Posted by i4M50Guy

That’s the worst of all cases. Dino juice, a heavy engine and a battery all together. What’s the point? The Neue Klasse platform will have 30% range and charge speed improvements over current tech. An M car is about the power and the driving, not about how far it goes on a tank of petrol. A BEV M car will be incredible. My i4 M50 is already fantastic. The tech is getting better all the time.
Finally, which EVs have you driven?

Not an M car by any means, but my wife had an i3rex. The tiny 2 gallon tank was enough to keep you going on the highway if you drove 65. Logged plenty of trips across the state with this car. Kept a one gallon gas can in the boot. Needed to unlock the range hold feature though. She was 100% electric around town and to work, but that generator saved our bacon on road trips. I could see some variation of this working as a bridge between ICE and BEV

[i4M50Guy]

Originally Posted by OGM1

Not an M car by any means, but my wife had an i3rex. The tiny 2 gallon tank was enough to keep you going on the highway if you drove 65. Logged plenty of trips across the state with this car. Kept a one gallon gas can in the boot. Needed to unlock the range hold feature though. She was 100% electric around town and to work, but that generator saved our bacon on road trips. I could see some variation of this working as a bridge between ICE and BEV

But that’s quite an old car now. Battery tech has came a long way since then, hence why BMW stopped doing the range extender model. The average person (in the UK) drives less than 100 miles a week. There’s no real need for crazy levels of range that people seem to want.

[Cortexiphan]

Originally Posted by OC-M3CX

Hate to say it but electric is the future. The tech may not be there yet but it will be. Battery tech is only going to get better. Maybe not in the next gen but certainly after. People said they wouldn’t buy the G8xs because of the grille, how it’s a disgrace to BMW but turns out it’s not that bad.

I’m totally convinced that G80 is a future classic.
The over-reaction by the toxic trolls will be a part of its story as well.

[Bimmerfun82]

The model 3 performance excelled around a racetrack and beat the F80. We had both cars at the time, and at first it was a love affair with the torque and novelty.

But after a year it was so boring. Got back into the G80cx which outperformed the tesla in every way, except on demand torque, and greatly preferred it. Although in doing so much to outperform the model 3 performance BMW sacrificed some things. The sheer mass was enough to make me miss the F80.

IMHO BMW has been paying too much attention to tesla. Our Y is an appliance to save gas and have a peaceful, easy commute. M division should keep building ICE only machines that elicit joy and enthusiasm and sensory satisfaction.

But they should also provide non-race track joyful experiences as well like the Z4M40i. My fear is the middle ground, joyful, lightweight sports cars will disappear not only from BMW but from Porsche and Toyota as well. The manuals have already seen the disappearing act in many cases.

[techwhiz1]

Originally Posted by MiamiFan13

Here's your problem right here. This thinking needs to change. For most driving enthusiasts, it can't POSSIBLY be better as electric. I don't know any driving enthusiasts that went to electric and found long term satisfaction. I believe in progress....but this is one area that doesn't benefit from it.

As someone that owns a fully loaded i4 M50 with 20" wheels.

I was cross shopping and M3/4 when I ordered my car and waited until I could drive an i4 before I made up my mind.

Since I stated what I'm driving you know my decision. I am an enthusiast. I have owned multiple M cars including an E30 M3 for 11 years as a daily driver. My last car was a E90 335i that was FBO minus the downpipes with a mFactory limited slip, Bilstein B8s and a full Brembo brake conversion.

I think I qualify and an enthusiast and I'm quite happy with my i4 and don't miss ICE at all, except for the engine sound.

[bholler]

Who care, just fix the front, and I’ll be ready to happily trade up.

[BGM-M3COMP]

I called this last year and people said no chance lol

[vbb]

It's clear to me that a majority of car enthusiasts are not interested in electric vehicles as their performance car of choice. It's not that we're anti electric vehicle...it's just that we don't want our sports cars in that flavor. It is also clear that manufacturers really don't have much of a choice about shifting everything to hybrid at the least, and full electric preferably. So the next M almost certainly will have to have a different powertrain. It'll still sell...but probably to a different kind of buyer. I'm already seeing it, and I bet you guys are too. People with high performing EVs that do 0-60 faster than my M are excited about what their cars can do...but they're not the car enthusiasts that we are. They'll be the ones that buy the new M, and there are plenty of those people.

I bet sales figures hold steady, but the type of buyer will be very different.

[techwhiz1]

Originally Posted by AmuroRay

Ahh, so tell me how they tested the weather from allegedly 1 million years ago?

How about 1000 years ago?

Oxygen and carbon dioxide levels in core rock samples. Same with arctic and antarctic ice core samples from areas of permafrost.

[techwhiz1]

Originally Posted by falconey

You're crazy. An electric M3 at similar price point would fly off the lots. The XM is a huge vehicle that sells for damn near 200k. Oh yeah and it's more of a combustion car than it is electric. Not even the same category as an M3 or M3 equivalent.

Something close is flying off the shelves.

Go try to buy and i4 M50 with shadow line and 20" wheels and see how long the wait is.

[OGM1]

Originally Posted by i4M50Guy

But that’s quite an old car now. Battery tech has came a long way since then, hence why BMW stopped doing the range extender model. The average person (in the UK) drives less than 100 miles a week. There’s no real need for crazy levels of range that people seem to want.

For smaller countries I see your point. However, in the U.S., we are a nation built around navigating the highway systems. It's a mixed bag out here. I have some friends that live in major cities that never leave. 60 miles is perfect for these folks. But the ones that are always traveling and exploring would need range and a small generator could fill that gap until we get chargers everywhere.

[AmuroRay]

Originally Posted by techwhiz1

Oxygen and carbon dioxide levels in core rock samples. Same with arctic and antarctic ice core samples from areas of permafrost.

Sure - that's samples - but prove it. That's evidence, not proof.

[BMthusiast]

As a daily driver EVs are fine by me. I test-drove the G26 i4 M50 and thought it was a very smooth enjoyable ride. But as something to get buckwild with in my freetime it's gotta combust!

[Theruleslawyer]

Originally Posted by i4M50Guy

But that’s quite an old car now. Battery tech has came a long way since then, hence why BMW stopped doing the range extender model. The average person (in the UK) drives less than 100 miles a week. There’s no real need for crazy levels of range that people seem to want.

Until charging gets way better there is. Part of the issue is so much is linked to pack size. How much power you can pull out. A powerful car needs a big pack. Charge rate too. You can charge more miles a minute on a bigger pack. Long term battery health too as a smaller pack has to be driven harder and taken to there extremes of capacity more often. Plus things that impact range like driving on a cold day in snow,or towing something. It's easier to drop below critical range.

[kooft]

They are developing an i4 M version which is likely going to be parallel to a mild hybrid m3/m4 for next gen. We will know more info about 1-2 years into the LCI so around 2026.