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      11-07-2023, 08:07 AM   #1
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Single Turbo options

I know KLM has been the go-to, I'm seeing other kits and was curious what the pros/cons of them might be. RK has a good looking kit and their intake manifold has been doing well. Vi Engineered has a kit they just came out with and I know Spool will have theirs too (I like them for fueling).

Something in the back of my mind is that BM3 is coming out with their board that will be able to control boost and PI so depending which kits are easiest to tune will be be consideration too.

Curious to hear other's experience and overall satisfaction with their ST Kits.
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      11-21-2023, 06:14 PM   #2
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Ended up going with RK since I can drop the car off and have them install it (3 hours from me)

https://www.rkautowerks.com/index.ph...gle-turbo-kit/

Went with the Precision 6870 turbo and added the chargepipe option. I'll add port injection and their intake manifold as well... other than that, I have Boostlogic downpipes and titanium exhaust.

Have to figure out tuning and anything else I'll need.
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I'm waiting for the VTT 6870 kit to drop. Factory boost control will allow for all the anti lag and launch boost controls tables to be available.
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I'm waiting for the VTT 6870 kit to drop. Factory boost control will allow for all the anti lag and launch boost controls tables to be available.
I was thinking about that too... I'll be relying on the new BM3 board for that (not sure that's a good idea but fingers crossed)
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i just removed one of my turbos and connected the pipes.

boom. single turbo.
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I dont plan on going with a single, but if i was i would probably pick the new Vargas kit.
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I was thinking about that too... I'll be relying on the new BM3 board for that (not sure that's a good idea but fingers crossed)
Do you know when they are releasing that board? It feels like we have been waiting for years for that thing
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Do you know when they are releasing that board? It feels like we have been waiting for years for that thing
Not totally sure, I put it in a ticket asking but haven’t heard back
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I can tell you that I am on Motiv for PI and boost and it has been the biggest problem thus far. Software is terrible and a lot of bugs. Tuning has been a pain.

I'd wait for a Vargas kit that can be paired with BM3 for boost via electronic gates (so they say) and run a split second aic for PI, it is tried and true. Skip the Motiv
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I can tell you that I am on Motiv for PI and boost and it has been the biggest problem thus far. Software is terrible and a lot of bugs. Tuning has been a pain.

I'd wait for a Vargas kit that can be paired with BM3 for boost via electronic gates (so they say) and run a split second aic for PI, it is tried and true. Skip the Motiv
Didn’t realize it sucked that bad… haven’t heard any feedback other than for PI.
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I just spoke with my tuner about single turbo nothing but positive things great power. I will wait until my warranty expires first possibly next year or sooner.
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I feel like this thread should have way more discussion than it’s gotten. That being said, what’s behind the price difference of KLM single kit compared to RKAutowerks and Doc race kit for example. I’m leaning towards the RK kit but am I missing something on why KLM is more expensive? Is it better?
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I feel like this thread should have way more discussion than it’s gotten. That being said, what’s behind the price difference of KLM single kit compared to RKAutowerks and Doc race kit for example. I’m leaning towards the RK kit but am I missing something on why KLM is more expensive? Is it better?
Agreed... almost had to change the thread title to iDrive 7 vs iDrive 8 lol

KLM was the only option for a while and they have the biggest presence. There will be other options coming out. Vi Engineering (I think that's the name) has one too that's similar... and BigBoost has twin full frame that's 1/2 the cost of KLM's single. I have a feeling the pricing will come down when more options are tested and proved out.
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Agreed... almost had to change the thread title to iDrive 7 vs iDrive 8 lol

KLM was the only option for a while and they have the biggest presence. There will be other options coming out. Vi Engineering (I think that's the name) has one too that's similar... and BigBoost has twin full frame that's 1/2 the cost of KLM's single. I have a feeling the pricing will come down when more options are tested and proved out.
Good point. Agreed for sure. Next couple weeks/ months should definitely be fun seeing all these kits coming out and being tested
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I’ve placed a deposit for Spool’s upcoming single turbo kit. I drove a friends G80 Comp xDrive with their kit and it was a no brainer for me - I had to get it. Will share my experiences as well as any information as I go through them myself. But the kit will likely not go on until mid~late January.
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I’ve placed a deposit for Spool’s upcoming single turbo kit. I drove a friends G80 Comp xDrive with their kit and it was a no brainer for me - I had to get it. Will share my experiences as well as any information as I go through them myself. But the kit will likely not go on until mid~late January.
Very nice, it was between them and RK... both are local-ish for install but I didn't have much info on Spool's. They do well on the fuel stuff so that's a big plus for them
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So is everyone that is going single turbo having to build the engine and trans?

An upgraded turbo, whether single or twins is not that expensive. The engine and transmission build can really break the bank tho.

What’s the possibilities of twins or single with stock engine? What power levels could be expected or realistic?
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Have the figured out how to launch single turbos yet?
I believe so... I got to see an anti-lag version of launch that worked pretty well.

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So is everyone that is going single turbo having to build the engine and trans?

An upgraded turbo, whether single or twins is not that expensive. The engine and transmission build can really break the bank tho.

What’s the possibilities of twins or single with stock engine? What power levels could be expected or realistic?
That's the safest way when making big power. If the goal is to make 700 or even 800 whp, it's possible without building engine/trans but going single, most people are shooting for 900+ Hard to double the power of an engine/trans without having to build it somewhat
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So is everyone that is going single turbo having to build the engine and trans?

An upgraded turbo, whether single or twins is not that expensive. The engine and transmission build can really break the bank tho.

What’s the possibilities of twins or single with stock engine? What power levels could be expected or realistic?
Issues start happening at big power regardless of twin or single turbo. Lucky for me, I will not be pushing higher levels of boost and thus am not required to build the engine. Being on a 6MT means having to deal with turbo lag far more than ZF8 owners, and being a track enthusiast means going for a single turbo is stupid within itself. So a smaller turbo (in my case, PTE 6466) will mean not having to build the engine, less turbo lag, and still get great sounds out of the entire kit. I still may opt in for a 6870 but still - I will not be chasing big numbers/big boost.

The stock intake manifold will say bye bye before a rod. As such, I'm looking to keep the intake manifold stock and see how much power I can push before it goes bye bye. After which, I'll be purchasing an upgraded one and keep power at the level in which the stock one cracked/broke to ensure longevity. I'm looking for reliability and fun sounds out of the single turbo so I'm hoping my ideology and thought process works.. otherwise, the wife may not be happy
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Issues start happening at big power regardless of twin or single turbo. Lucky for me, I will not be pushing higher levels of boost and thus am not required to build the engine. Being on a 6MT means having to deal with turbo lag far more than ZF8 owners, and being a track enthusiast means going for a single turbo is stupid within itself. So a smaller turbo (in my case, PTE 6466) will mean not having to build the engine, less turbo lag, and still get great sounds out of the entire kit. I still may opt in for a 6870 but still - I will not be chasing big numbers/big boost.

The stock intake manifold will say bye bye before a rod. As such, I'm looking to keep the intake manifold stock and see how much power I can push before it goes bye bye. After which, I'll be purchasing an upgraded one and keep power at the level in which the stock one cracked/broke to ensure longevity. I'm looking for reliability and fun sounds out of the single turbo so I'm hoping my ideology and thought process works.. otherwise, the wife may not be happy
CSF tested up to 40 PSI and the stock manifold held.
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I think VI engineering is currently testing the single with stock motor/trans on a pte6870. They are on 30lbs and like 800 plus wheel I think.

I have a built motor and a stock trans. Trying to see how far I can push the zf8
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