[soniczoom5]

Does any one know or seen any info regarding the CS and AWD? Will it be offered in RWD only?

[solstice]

Originally Posted by soniczoom5

Does any one know or seen any info regarding the CS and AWD? Will it be offered in RWD only?

I don’t think there’s been any details about a potential CS yet. My guess is that it will be limited to one configuration and it need to be faster on the track than the AWD competition while slower than the CSL. Intriguing equation

[M3AWD]

Was it confirmed that there will be both CS and CSL variants? Seems overkill but what do I know because the previous generation got CS and GTS (albeit only as M4).

[solstice]

Originally Posted by M-SP0RT

Was it confirmed that there will be both CS and CSL variants? Seems overkill but what do I know because the previous generation got CS and GTS (albeit only as M4).

There’s been talk about a 600 hp CSL, I can’t recall the source though.

[xlover]

@ynguldyn future model thread has identified it as likely CSL. I'm sure we will learn more as he does

[unfoundnemo]

If the competition is AWD only, I would have to assume the likely CS and possible CSL would be AWD as well.

[CanAutM3]

Originally Posted by M-SP0RT

Was it confirmed that there will be both CS and CSL variants? Seems overkill but what do I know because the previous generation got CS and GTS (albeit only as M4).

BMW has been pretty clear about their ///M model hierarchy strategy:
Base->Competition->CS->CSL

[soniczoom5]

Originally Posted by solstice

I don’t think there’s been any details about a potential CS yet. My guess is that it will be limited to one configuration and it need to be faster on the track than the AWD competition while slower than the CSL. Intriguing equation

https://www.carscoops.com/2020/05/20...the-g80-bunch/

[CanAutM3]

Originally Posted by soniczoom5

https://www.carscoops.com/2020/05/20...the-g80-bunch/

I am one to believe that they will eventually make a CS version of the G8X, but it is not what is shown in the article you reference, that's just a regular G80 with the optional CF seats.

[SYT_Shadow]

I'll bet BMW will make the CS and CSL/GTS in RWD only.

This is BMW guys. They are not the AWD company for people who are scared of wet roads.

[solstice]

Originally Posted by SYT_Shadow

I'll bet BMW will make the CS and CSL/GTS in RWD only.

This is BMW guys. They are not the AWD company for people who are scared of wet roads.

I’m not so sure, the M5 CS is likely AWD. I’ve heard target ring numbers for the CSL and they are

To reach them without AWD is not going to be easy but neither is it to make it a Club Sport Light with AWD...toss up really.

[CanAutM3]

Originally Posted by solstice

I’m not so sure, the M5 CS is likely AWD. I’ve heard target ring numbers for the CSL and they are

To reach them without AWD is not going to be easy but neither is it to make it a Club Sport Light with AWD...toss up really.

Have you seen the GT3RS and GT2RS 'ring times? And they are not AWD

[solstice]

Originally Posted by CanAutM3

Have you seen the GT3RS and GT2RS 'ring times? And they are not AWD

Rear engine cars

[SeanWRT]

It's a bit too early to say. But I'm inclined to believing the CS will carry AWD.

1) If F8X is any indication, CS isn't about weight saving, instead the concept behind is "the maximized track performance with everyday practicality".

2) The CS is a mass produced car in the end. From the looks of it now, the AWD variant seems to be getting more audience at a higher price point.

That being said, the CSL can be a RWD. Because:
1) G8X weight distribution is already front wheel biased.
2) G8X is too heavy as base car already is to carry CSL badge.
3) RWD doesn't necessarily improve track time when fitted with properly grippy tire.
4) Cost saving.
5) The CSL must have a limited run and will appeal only to true enthusiasts most of whom believe in old BMW formula.

[SYT_Shadow]

Originally Posted by solstice

I’m not so sure, the M5 CS is likely AWD. I’ve heard target ring numbers for the CSL and they are

To reach them without AWD is not going to be easy but neither is it to make it a Club Sport Light with AWD...toss up really.

I think the M5 CS will be AWD as the M5 can only be bought in AWD. It's also at a different level of power vs the M3

The F8X CS already had multiple weight saving measures, the M2 CS also has them. I expect the G8X to continue with the less weight topic and the easiest way to do that is to not have AWD.
I expect the G8X CS to have the CF strut brace, CF driveshaft, special door cards, different sound system, limited equipment just like the F8X CS

[SYT_Shadow]

Originally Posted by CanAutM3

Have you seen the GT3RS and GT2RS 'ring times? And they are not AWD

Originally Posted by solstice

Rear engine cars

I agree with CanAut. You don't have to look at the GT3 RS/GT2 RS times to find fast RWD cars, plenty of them are fast.

Remember the ring time of the Viper, the ZL1 1LE, etc.

[CanAutM3]

Originally Posted by SYT_Shadow

I think the M5 CS will be AWD as the M5 can only be bought in AWD. It's also at a different level of power vs the M3

The F8X CS already had multiple weight saving measures, the M2 CS also has them. I expect the G8X to continue with the less weight topic and the easiest way to do that is to not have AWD.
I expect the G8X CS to have the CF strut brace, CF driveshaft, special door cards, different sound system, limited equipment just like the F8X CS

Agreed. Since there seems to have been little effort in terms of weight reductions for the base and Competition G8X, I still hope that BMW will leverage what they have left on the table in terms of weight reductions for the CS/CSL variants. So I expect even greater weight reductions for the G8X CS than what we've seen on the F8X.

[SYT_Shadow]

Originally Posted by CanAutM3

Agreed. Since there seems to have been little effort in terms of weight reductions for the base and Competition G8X, I still hope that BMW will leverage what they have left on the table in terms of weight reductions for the CS/CSL variants. So I expect even greater weight reductions for the G8X CS than what we've seen on the F8X.

It is the craziest thing for me to read so many complaints about the weight while people also ask for AWD. AWD is a massive weight adder. Why would you want this on the higher performance versions?

Porsche does this right with their GT3. They would rather roll over in their graves than make an AWD GT3. They have the nice Turbo for the people who 'need' AWD, but if you're going to pretend to be a racer you are forced into RWD.
I'm willing to bet BMW will do the same.

[GOLFFRR]

have not seen anything on CS from BMW on our end yet.

[CanAutM3]

Originally Posted by SYT_Shadow

It is the craziest thing for me to read so many complaints about the weight while people also ask for AWD. AWD is a massive weight adder. Why would you want this on the higher performance versions?

Porsche does this right with their GT3. They would rather roll over in their graves than make an AWD GT3. They have the nice Turbo for the people who 'need' AWD, but if you're going to pretend to be a racer you are forced into RWD.
I'm willing to bet BMW will do the same.

Agreed, and AWD adds most of that weight on the already overburdened front axle.

[solstice]

Originally Posted by SYT_Shadow

It is the craziest thing for me to read so many complaints about the weight while people also ask for AWD. AWD is a massive weight adder. Why would you want this on the higher performance versions?

Porsche does this right with their GT3. They would rather roll over in their graves than make an AWD GT3. They have the nice Turbo for the people who 'need' AWD, but if you're going to pretend to be a racer you are forced into RWD.
I'm willing to bet BMW will do the same.

Lighter weight and AWD are ways to increase acceleration. AWD on a front engine car easily make up for the 100 lbs it adds. Wanting both is not contradictory.

As for a CSL. If you target to challenge a car like the GT3RS and is given a near 1000 lbs extra as starting point I would think AWD is a tempting option together with what can be done to weight. Not so much wanted as needed, the P-car not only have the huge weight advantage it also have superior traction. Taking 500+ lbs off the M4 and keeping it street legal is quite a challenge. Still I’m by no means sure what path will be taken, it’s a toss up.

And obviously the intent of the CSL can be deciding. If it’s intentions are to provide customers a car to take part in racing where AWD is banned, well then the decision is made.

[xlover]

Originally Posted by solstice

Lighter weight and AWD are ways to increase acceleration. AWD on a front engine car easily make up for the 100 lbs it adds. Wanting both is not contradictory.

As for a CSL. If you target to challenge a car like the GT3RS and is given a near 1000 lbs extra as starting point I would think AWD is a tempting option together with what can be done to weight. Not so much wanted as needed, the P-car not only have the huge weight advantage it also have superior traction. Taking 500+ lbs off the M4 and keeping it street legal is quite a challenge. Still I'm by no means sure what path will be taken, it's a toss up.

And obviously the intent of the CSL can be deciding. If it's intentions are to provide customers a car to take part in racing where AWD is banned, well then the decision is made.

The key with what the CSL becomes is what strategy or drive concept BMW intends to take on

-back to basics rwd car? That while significantly better than the regular M3/4 will sacrifice some lap time for purist driving experience
-tech forward technology demonstrator marrying a sophisticated track optimized awd with lightweight concepts

I expect the latter, tho if I was betting I would say I am 65/35. There could be a push for one last purist hurrah

As much as it will hurt those looking for a purist RWD car I think we (consumers) made the decision for them. The previous gen CS which delivered on the back to basics concept was a sales flop with massive discounts to move units and failed to generate the "gotta have it buzz". I am sure there are lots of opinions on how well executed the CS was, but BMW clearly thought they were delivering. That definitely makes it harder to build a case to go that route again.