[M6-Coupe]

Originally Posted by G MONEY

They are those ugly gold ones

IMO these rims in black color on M3CS look much nicer.

[M6-Coupe]

Now I'm proud of M8C to be only 0.4 seconds slower than M4CS with extra 400 lbs and no Cup 2 tire
Despite the weight and size, M8 is a well balanced and agile car
Sorry I'm not trying to hijack this thread but just saying good job BMW!

[Hit_Apex]

I think this is the only leaderboard I've seen the M8 ahead of the M5 CS - too many variables to get hung up on though. It's entertaining at least.

[M6-Coupe]

Originally Posted by Hit_Apex

I think this is the only leaderboard I've seen the M8 ahead of the M5 CS - too many variables to get hung up on though. It's entertaining at least.

I believe both M5CS and M8C with Cup 2 / Cup 2R tires can do a better job.. Maybe shave 0.5-1 second?

[Hit_Apex]

Sounds reasonable. My point is these guys are journalists, on a very short track in Canada with wide swings in weather. Impossible to play what if with tires without a same (or similar) day and same pro driver baseline. So many cars within 2 secs of each other, the aforementioned variables make the relative order meaningless in that grouping. They had trouble handling the CSL for example, whereas a factory driver wouldn’t. The M8 is likely easy to drive fast, forgiving with poor inputs. The M4 CS in AWD mode should also be forgiving. The fact their RWD and AWD mode times were the same is problematic.

[///M TOWN]

Originally Posted by Sedan_Clan

“Biased” because they disagree with you?!? Newsflash……EVERY review has some bias to it.

💯

[scott in cincy]

These guys are great entertainment and bring a great deal of joy to the car community. No one should take their opinions as instrumented facts.

There will never be another Clarkson/Hammond/May, but I’m grateful someone is trying to fill those big shoes.

[TargaM2]

IOMG & gold wheels is such a great combo.

[M3EATERS]

I think the 2WD vs 4WD and comparisons to the M8 and M5CS times are all relative based on that (what looks like a small track with alot of bends). I do not think that any cars get to stretch their legs on what looks like parkland with some bitumen…..

[Needsdecaf]

Quick everyone, let's argue about lap times on a 4,000 lb street car that 95% of us will never track!

[Jimjamz]

Originally Posted by Needsdecaf

BMW absolutely did not mean that. That's what the CSL is for.

(I need to find that graphic where BMW explained their strategy.)

You mean this one?

[Needsdecaf]

Originally Posted by Jimjamz

You mean this one?

That is indeed the one, thank you good sir.

[Needsdecaf]

Originally Posted by M6-Coupe

So whats the strategy of CS if you know?
A car that is not meant to be track car and has lots of CF and about 20k more expensive than 2025 M4CX with the option it has for 20 more HP and CS Badge?
I dont think so…
I think CSL is light weight RWD track car and M4CS is AWD track car.

See post above. CS is track capable, everyday usable car. Definitely not "pure track" as you said. That is the CSL's job.

[/ / / M3]

Originally Posted by M6-Coupe

I don't understand BMW strategy.
BMW meant track car by introducing "CS" so this car is supposed to be pure track oriented car and still does not have CCB as standard option but has CF hood , extra CF interior trim and CF bucket seat...

Carbon ceramic brakes are not necessarily the best option for track use due to the astronomical cost of replacement.

[BryanCO]

I enjoy watching TH (JC is unwatchable…). All of these video guys have replaced the monthly car magazines I used to read. But it’s entertainment, some of it is really good entertainment, but still entertainment.

That BMW product slide is hilarious. It’s all about slicing the performance market in way to drive demand and sales (e.g. the 911 models, Audi S Line, AMG, etc.)

[KevinGS]

Originally Posted by THEROK

I embrace both EVs and ICE cars as they both hold unique value props in my garage. It's totally OK to respect and enjoy both genres of vehicular transportation IMHO.

This is not OK, you must choose... ICE or EV!???

[M6-Coupe]

Originally Posted by Needsdecaf

See post above. CS is track capable, everyday usable car. Definitely not "pure track" as you said. That is the CSL's job.

Ok.. you can follow it

[THEROK]

Originally Posted by KevinGS

This is not OK, you must choose... ICE or EV!???

If I had to have 1 car today, it'd be my toaster with the Plaid badge. Hauls my dog, my family and friends when they visit, don't give af about Chevron's pricing at the pump, don't give af about some M boy racer in a CSL/CS trying to race me from the light or hwy roll, etc.

lol

(ducks and hides)

But if I was a remote worker, had no friends/family and only needed a car for weekend fun, for sure it'd be a high-revving, normally aspirated, six speed manual with a dry sump lump.

[HeelToeShift]

Originally Posted by BryanCO

I enjoy watching TH (JC is unwatchable…). All of these video guys have replaced the monthly car magazines I used to read. But it’s entertainment, some of it is really good entertainment, but still entertainment.

That BMW product slide is hilarious. It’s all about slicing the performance market in way to drive demand and sales (e.g. the 911 models, Audi S Line, AMG, etc.)

I agree TH is pretty good, and their reviews usually better, but which is JC (can’t be Clarkson).

[mirob]

Originally Posted by HeelToeShift

I agree TH is pretty good, and their reviews usually better, but which is JC (can’t be Clarkson).

I'm guessing the G.O.A.T. - Cammisa.

[BryanCO]

Originally Posted by HeelToeShift

I agree TH is pretty good, and their reviews usually better, but which is JC (can’t be Clarkson).

Jason Cammisa. He was mentioned in an earlier post. We all have our own perspectives on what’s entertaining. It’s great to have all of the car related content!

[Needsdecaf]

Originally Posted by M6-Coupe

Ok.. you can follow it

So you don't like what they say, so you aren't going to follow it. Got it. Never mind that they have a whole department or team of people working on product strategy. You think the CS should be a made for track car and when it isn't, you're mad.

Cool, cool.