[stevehifi]

anyone want to guess at how many combinations of configs there could be with steering, power, edc, brake, shift, traction control...

3x2x3x2x2x10 = 720

[therealkenc]

Originally Posted by Bahn360Photo

There should be an idiot mode button, I see some many people drive m's in comfort mode that I get shivers.

One of my friends had m4 vert and to last 6 months of the lease kept saying response sucks.

I pressed throttle response button to sport plus and he started to cry...

😂 Poor guy. Better late than never? Or maybe ignorance would've been bliss in that scenario lol.

Makes me wonder what some of us F8X owners (and ppl who just try the car out) don't figure out about the cars and maybe arrive at premature + wrong conclusions, and then go on to propagate these perspectives in forums and social media outlets everywhere.

Besides RTFM, there should be WTFY too - Watch The F-ing YouTube.

[gatorfast]

Pretty neat that they are adding this level of adjustment. Ok not fully understanding the need for road, sport, and track modes though when you have the M1 and m2 buttons. Are those modes just factory suggested settings that you could otherwise program in your two m buttons?

[F85MTuNED]

So I went to open road BMW today and seen them for the first time in person.... who the fu** told me to do that. The cars looks AMAZING in person they just need a little OEM+ love and good to go!

[unfoundnemo]

Originally Posted by gatorfast

Pretty neat that they are adding this level of adjustment. Ok not fully understanding the need for road, sport, and track modes though when you have the M1 and m2 buttons. Are those modes just factory suggested settings that you could otherwise program in your two m buttons?

No, the functions the M1/2 buttons control are mutually exclusive of what the M modes control. Through the M buttons you could control the cars driving characteristics, where the M modes control the "driving experience", meaning the displays and driver assistance features.

[antzcrashing]

Very cool. The M steering wheels buttons is one of the things that I have wanted ever since I first saw it on M5. Love the ability to set tunings live like this.

For the instrument display, still confused as to when it will show sport (center speedo and tach) vs road (split speedo and backwards! Tach). Can the driver set it to always sport? Is it only here if u have it in M mode and with that optional package? Can you set it to an M1 or M2? Also what is disabled when sport display is on, active cruise and auto emergency braking? Seems like a flaw if you have to choose between a sporty display and safety features.

[Kansr]

Originally Posted by M3AWD

What I don't understand is what will I miss if I don't order the M Drive Professional?

This is from the U.S. press release:

Selecting the optional M Drive Professional brings the new M Traction Control function. Making its debut in the new BMW M3 and M4, this new traction control allows the driver to set the intervention thresholds for wheel slip. The iDrive menu for this system displays ten stages of defined permitted wheel slip. The new traction control option gives the driver the ability to select the ideal balance of racing-car performance and directional stability for the situation, the road conditions and their personal preferences. This allows them to approach the limits on the track by reducing the extent of control system inputs in stages.

Based on the above I understand I will not get the 10 stage traction feature, and based on this video I will not get the three pre-programmed M Modes (road, sport, track).

I'm getting the M xDrive so not sure if M Drive Professional is really that important as long as I get the option to switch to full RWD mode and I expect MDM will be programmed in a way that allows enough traction control intervention for street use... Any thoughts?

The thing i don’t understand is, do they delete the buttons if we don’t get M-Drive professional? Are they blanks? Shouldn’t one at least have road and sport or is that asking for to much. Can I get it retrofitted?

Might have to call the dealer on this one. Even though my car is happily on its maiden voyage.

[PLF69]

I watched it two times to be sure but the way I understand it looks like this.

Road-Sport-Track (preset mods)

10 lvl traction system + drift analyser in track mode available with M Pro

M1 and M2 button can be configured to any mix of adjustments ex: Track-Silent Exhaust-Comfort Steering-Sport suspension etc. There are probably a lot of possible configurations

[Frosty]

Originally Posted by frankiebones

I judge anyone who doesn't drive 6MT harshly. There's something VERY wrong with me lol.

BEST post in a long time, ...I'm with you ha!

[Kansr]

Originally Posted by PLF69

I watched it two times to be sure but the way I understand it looks like this.

Road-Sport-Track (preset mods)

10 lvl traction system + drift analyser in track mode available with M Pro

M1 and M2 button can be configured to any mix of adjustments ex: Track-Silent Exhaust-Comfort Steering-Sport suspension etc. There are probably a lot of possible configurations

To be honest, that’s how I imagined it in the configurator, which is why I didn’t pay extra.
If I lost out on those modes i’m going to be pissed...

Or at least that’s how it was made to sound.

[unfoundnemo]

Originally Posted by antzcrashing

Very cool. The M steering wheels buttons is one of the things that I have wanted ever since I first saw it on M5. Love the ability to set tunings live like this.

For the instrument display, still confused as to when it will show sport (center speedo and tach) vs road (split speedo and backwards! Tach). Can the driver set it to always sport? Is it only here if u have it in M mode and with that optional package? Can you set it to an M1 or M2? Also what is disabled when sport display is on, active cruise and auto emergency braking? Seems like a flaw if you have to choose between a sporty display and safety features.

M mode button is there for road vs sport, optional package adds track. You cannot set the sport console to a M1/M2 button. When sport is on, it disables active cruise, and other driver assist features (lane keep assist, traffic jam assist, etc.), but leaves on all the safety features, track mode is what gets rid of the safety features.

[unfoundnemo]

Originally Posted by Kansr

To be honest, that’s how I imagined it in the configurator, which is why I didn’t pay extra.
If I lost out on those modes i’m going to be pissed...

Or at least that’s how it was made to sound.

You still get the road and sport M modes without the extra package, M drive Pro adds the track mode to the M modes (and also adds the M traction control, M drift analyzer, and M lap timer). It's pretty explicit in the press release, you could see what you get on the LCI M5 and M8 without the M Drive Pro portion.

[unfoundnemo]

Originally Posted by PLF69

I watched it two times to be sure but the way I understand it looks like this.

Road-Sport-Track (preset mods)

10 lvl traction system + drift analyser in track mode available with M Pro

M1 and M2 button can be configured to any mix of adjustments ex: Track-Silent Exhaust-Comfort Steering-Sport suspension etc. There are probably a lot of possible configurations

Can't set the road/sport/track mode with the M1/2 buttons, that's separate and only accessible through the M mode button.

[XsltAnalyst]

Originally Posted by unfoundnemo

Can't set the road/sport/track mode with the M1/2 buttons, that's separate and only accessible through the M mode button.

That seems like an extra nanny step, it's an M car for God's sake. M mode button settings should be tied to M1 and M2 buttons, that's the purpose of saving a preference and recalling it quickly and easily.

There should be a simple auto (or dynamic) setting that will sense when you start to drive hard and vice versa.

I miss the days where even the entry level bimmers were good to drive out of the box even without million configurable settings for everything.

[VIERsr]

Originally Posted by Bumpinjeep

There's nothing wrong with wanting a car with a proper transmission. Think of yourself as enlightened now.

That's true. But I'm wondering if the manual transmission is still on line with the new philosophy of the car, more GT and less sport car. Just a guess, I have to drive it to figure it out.

[Scorp!on]

I didn't really understand one think:

What is the exact benefit of M Drive Professional APART from the 10 Stage TC?

I understood a thing of 3 different modes (like track mode) are these excluded when not taking the M Drive Prof?

But other than that I should be able to config all the settings also without M Drive Professional, correct ?

[Remonster]

Originally Posted by Scorp!on

I didn't really understand one think:

What is the exact benefit of M Drive Professional APART from the 10 Stage TC?

I understood a thing of 3 different modes (like track mode) are these excluded when not taking the M Drive Prof?

But other than that I should be able to config all the settings also without M Drive Professional, correct ?

M Drive Professional adds 10 stage traction control when stability control is off and it adds the M Track Mode. That seems to be it per the config guides and info released so far.

Everything else shown in the video is available on the standard car.

For the confused people: the M Mode button only changes the displays and safety assistance "features" like lane keeping assist, rear end collision warning, etc. and these have to be set using the M Mode button. The Setup button allows changing how the car performs and feels (engine, suspension, steering, etc) and the Setup options can be saved to the M1 and M2 preset buttons.

[frankiebones]

Originally Posted by VIERsr

That's true. But I'm wondering if the manual transmission is still on line with the new philosophy of the car, more GT and less sport car. Just a guess, I have to drive it to figure it out.

No you don't. Trust us my brother.

Number of people who regret getting a manual since 2007 worldwide: 7

Number of people who regret NOT getting a manual since 2007 worldwide: 6,233,048

[frankiebones]

Originally Posted by Frosty

[COLOR="SeaGreen"][COLOR="SeaGreen"]BEST post in a long time, ...I'm with you ha![/COLOR][/COLOR]

"Oh you drive an automatic? You must 1). hate fun, 2). not know how to drive stick, or 3.) both."

That's my take every time. I know it's ridiculous and is probably why I have so few friends in the car community lol.

[M3AWD]

Originally Posted by frankiebones

"Oh you drive an automatic? You must 1). hate fun, 2). not know how to drive stick, or 3.) both."

That's my take every time. I know it's ridiculous and is probably why I have so few friends in the car community lol.

Do you hate power windows too

I agree nothing beats the experience of driving stick shift in general but newer cars are designed based on automatics and the overall performance (power band, shift speed, gas mileage etc.) is optimized based on the auto transmission.

When I had my Z4M Coupe (S54) it was stick obviously and I loved it. Then I test drove a stick E90 M3 and the car felt too big/bulky/heavy to be stick to the extent that it didn't feel much fun to me. With cars getting bigger & heavier with more electronics & technology I feel stick shift is not the perfect match anymore.

I would still buy a stick shift car in the future for sure but not a brand new one. I keep thinking of a street legal Exocet project car for street & track fun. Now that'll be raw, light & connected enough were stick shift is a must for the full experience!

[antzcrashing]

Originally Posted by unfoundnemo

M mode button is there for road vs sport, optional package adds track. You cannot set the sport console to a M1/M2 button. When sport is on, it disables active cruise, and other driver assist features (lane keep assist, traffic jam assist, etc.), but leaves on all the safety features, track mode is what gets rid of the safety features.

Thanks, helpful

[unfoundnemo]

Originally Posted by XsltAnalyst

That seems like an extra nanny step, it's an M car for God's sake. M mode button settings should be tied to M1 and M2 buttons, that's the purpose of saving a preference and recalling it quickly and easily.

Agree, I'm not a fan. The M modes aren't really configurable that either, the most you could do is make some minor modifications to what shows in the road/sport displays as they fumble through in the video, but you can't for instance make the road HUD look like the sport HUD.

It's the same in the F92, so I can't see the tac in the HUD without looking down, finding the M mode button, and going into sport mode which is goin to change a slew of other display and assistance settings. Hopefully it's something they could address with an update, but we're already going a couple of years on iDrive 7 with M menus.