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      03-03-2021, 03:36 PM   #1
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Had a chance to go drive a manual G82 with the carbon bucket seats in Toronto Red.

Let's get the first thing out of the way. .....like many have said before the grilles in person work so much better than they look in pictures. I was the biggest skeptic about the grilles and I was pleasantly surprised that the car pulls them off. I still am hoping the LCI will bring changes to it but I have left the "I hate the grilles" camp after seeing in person.

Toronto red works really good on this car and I expect even better on G80. I was thinking of getting this color for wife's X3M but it jus did not work.

The carbon buckets are awesome. The support that they offer and how the look is just awesome. I am sure for long drives 4 hours or longer they could be an issue but them again so are the current F80 comp seats. When I replace the wife's X3M with this car it will get the carbon buckets.

Now performance. Right out of the gate I was not blown away at all with the S58 in this chassis when compared to the S55 in the F80. I remember driving the F80 when I had the E90 and the performance gap between the two was just huge. This time around the gap between the RWD G80 and current F80 is slim. The full potential of the S58 on this chassis will be unleashed by BMW in the AWD variant. The car I drove had the staggered wheels (275 up front and 285 in the rear PS4S). The car felt very planted and somehow even comfortable even over uneven roads. This is where I noticed the biggest difference between the F80 and G82. This car out of the box handles better than the F80/82....and somehow still managed to be more comfortable.

The interior fit and finish is a step up but probably the biggest difference is the carbon buckets and the bling they add.[IMG][/IMG]
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Had a chance to go drive a manual G82 with the carbon bucket seats in Toronto Red.

Let's get the first thing out of the way. .....like many have said before the grilles in person work so much better in person than they look in pictures. I was the biggest skeptic about the grilles and I was pleasantly surprised that the car pulls them off. I still am hoping the LCI will bring changes to it but I a have left the "I hate the grilles" camp after seeing in person.

Toronto red works really good on this car and I expect even better on G80. I was thinking of getting this color for wife's X3M but it jus did not work.

The carbon buckets are awesome. The support that they offer and how the look is just awesome. I am sure for long drives 4 hours or longer they could be an issue but them again so do the current F80 comp seats. When I replace the wife's X3M with this car it will get the carbon buckets.

Now performance. Right out of the gate I was not blown away at all with the S58 in this chassis when compared to the S55 in the F80. I remember driving the F80 when I had the E90 and the performance gap between the two was just huge. This time around the gap between the RWD G80 and current F80 is slim. The full potential of the S58 on this chassis will be unleashed by BMW in the AWD variant. The car I drove had the staggered wheels (275 up front and 285 in the rear PS4S). The car felt very planted and somehow even comfortable even over uneven roads. This is where I noticed the biggest difference between the F80 and G82. This car out of the box handles better than the F80/82....and somehow still managed to be more comfortable.

The interior fit and finish is a step up but probably the biggest differ bevy is the carbon buckets and the bling they add.[IMG][/IMG]
I agree 100% and I mentioned that in my review reference the step from E90 to F80
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Had a chance to go drive a manual G82 with the carbon bucket seats in Toronto Red.

Let's get the first thing out of the way. .....like many have said before the grilles in person work so much better than they look in pictures. I was the biggest skeptic about the grilles and I was pleasantly surprised that the car pulls them off. I still am hoping the LCI will bring changes to it but I have left the "I hate the grilles" camp after seeing in person.

Toronto red works really good on this car and I expect even better on G80. I was thinking of getting this color for wife's X3M but it jus did not work.

The carbon buckets are awesome. The support that they offer and how the look is just awesome. I am sure for long drives 4 hours or longer they could be an issue but them again so are the current F80 comp seats. When I replace the wife's X3M with this car it will get the carbon buckets.

Now performance. Right out of the gate I was not blown away at all with the S58 in this chassis when compared to the S55 in the F80. I remember driving the F80 when I had the E90 and the performance gap between the two was just huge. This time around the gap between the RWD G80 and current F80 is slim. The full potential of the S58 on this chassis will be unleashed by BMW in the AWD variant. The car I drove had the staggered wheels (275 up front and 285 in the rear PS4S). The car felt very planted and somehow even comfortable even over uneven roads. This is where I noticed the biggest difference between the F80 and G82. This car out of the box handles better than the F80/82....and somehow still managed to be more comfortable.

The interior fit and finish is a step up but probably the biggest differ bevy is the carbon buckets and the bling they add.[IMG][/IMG]
Competition model?
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Competition model?
It's a manual so no.
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It's a manual so no.
Yeah, Not surprising if the MT isn’t noticeably faster. Better insulated, smoother car with not that much more TQ/hp than an F8X comp. OP is your F80 MT as well?

I’ll admit I’ll be surprised if the competition model doesn’t feel significantly faster.
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It's a manual so no.
Yeah, Not surprising if the MT isn't noticeably faster. Better insulated, smoother car with not that much more TQ/hp than an F8X comp. OP is your F80 MT as well?

I'll admit I'll be surprised if the competition model doesn't feel significantly faster.
Yes my F80 is also 6MT
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Yes my F80 is also 6MT
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Beautiful Atlantis paint job as well!
atlantis blue = winning
Thanks bro. The paint in pics is hard to capture but in real life people always flock to it.
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Just wanted to chime in again. Just took wife's x3m out and in straight line speed the x3m with the extra weight would pull on the manual g82 like a freight train.

As other have said the full potential of this engine in this chassis won't be realized until the AWD version.

Comparing the S58 in the G82 to the S58 in the X3M there is a bigger gap than I was even expecting. BMW has really neutered the S58 for the manual non comp variants of the G80/G82. Which is sort of sad because the Tranny could have easily handled the extra power.

BMW has given us manual loyalists what we wanted a manual G80 but the price they are asking us to pay may be more than some of us are willing to pay.

In my case I will get a G80 but it will be an AWD version to go along with my manual F80 and not to replace it.
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Did you redline the G82? Sport+ throttle and in MDM? The S58 goes from good to wild >5k RPMs on my X3MC. It sounds kind of absurd that the 6MT G82 would be slower feeling than an X3M but if they chopped off the top end, maybe.
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Did you redline the G82? Sport+ throttle and in MDM? The S58 goes from good to wild >5k RPMs on my X3MC. It sounds kind of absurd that the 6MT G82 would be slower feeling than an X3M but if they chopped off the top end, maybe.
I think - what he is feeling is chopped off low end without the help of the torque converter.
Tall six gears vs 8 in Auto is harder to keep in 5K plus range as well.
That was my concern about this manual as well. Imagine launching it - dumping clutch at 5k = smoke
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Did you redline the G82? Sport+ throttle and in MDM? The S58 goes from good to wild >5k RPMs on my X3MC. It sounds kind of absurd that the 6MT G82 would be slower feeling than an X3M but if they chopped off the top end, maybe.
Yes I was pushing it up to redline. It wasn't pulling as hard as I expected coming from the s58 in x3m.
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"The full potential of the S58 on this chassis will be unleashed by BMW in the AWD variant."

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Could be a matter of break in. The Comp versions make more torque so I can't see these neutered that much although the manual transmission may play into that. In my X3M Comp the S58 feels like a monster over 3k RPM with power coming on in linear fashion all the way to redline.
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Could be a matter of break in. The Comp versions make more torque so I can't see these neutered that much although the manual transmission may play into that. In my X3M Comp the S58 feels like a monster over 3k RPM with power coming on in linear fashion all the way to redline.
This is what I expected coming from x3m Comp and was surprised when it didn't considering it should be significantly lighter than the x3m.
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Did you redline the G82? Sport+ throttle and in MDM? The S58 goes from good to wild >5k RPMs on my X3MC. It sounds kind of absurd that the 6MT G82 would be slower feeling than an X3M but if they chopped off the top end, maybe.
Yes I was pushing it up to redline. It wasn't pulling as hard as I expected coming from the s58 in x3m.
Interesting. No reason to doubt what you're saying so that's pretty wild I guess.
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I saw one today and it looks amazing. This thing will be sick. Pictures don't do it justice. After checking out the g80, my Cs was, meh. People, as usual, are hatting on the new bmw, but in a few months, it will be the new hot thing. Didn't even notice the m8 while I was walking back. Interior was so nice. How it drives, is the only thing remaining to be seen, but I'm guessing it will also be amazing, especially as others have mentioned in the comp variant.
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Regarding the power perception:

1) It doesn't take the AWD to feel torquey. The F8X is already strong stock and RWD and slipping easily, and the F8X CS somehow feels way stronger everywhere. Plenty other examples inside and outside the BMW.

2) If base model underwhelms, so will the higher end variant. What you feel weak is the low down torque vacuum with the S58 which is a physical nature of its inappropriately sized big turbo for a 3.0L. The comp model in a higher state of tune is not going to fix it, as evidenced by all the aftermarket solution for the S58. What can be changed via programming is the throttle sensitivity, but the factory won't do that only to compromise throttle modulation and hurt fuel economy which they're struggling to improve for compliance, plus you're not really getting much power off boost but huge jerkiness on boost.

3) The X3M drag performance already went from underrated to overrated. People are blind sighted taking E50 tune result and lying to themselves that's what it's capable of day to day. Go check what the F8X with E50 accomplishes. And go check every single other car in this performance category under the same condition. Not much of a difference, really.

4) Fitting a huge turbo to the S58 is a huge mistake in my opinion, unless you want to tune.

The Alpina already acknowledged that and change to a smaller turbo for much better responsiveness (stronger power perception) and, wait for it, identical if not better overall acceleration compared to the G8X competition, stock for stock.
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