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A Carrera S is 33xx lbs https://www.caranddriver.com/reviews...y-the-numbers/ A Carrera 4S is 34xx Even the WIDE, AWD and super GT Turbo S is only 3600 lbs - all lighter than an M2 even though the M2 is smaller and only RWD. Fact is, cars these days are heavy. They also changed the way cars are standardized when it comes to weight. They can no longer be the lightest possible configuration. Add in particulate filters, safety features, tech, and growing sizes and the weights are increasing all around. Quote:
Also, since the way they weigh cars have changed I really only thing the M3/4 are 200-250 lbs heavier and not 300-350 lb. Last edited by HeelToeShift; 09-24-2020 at 04:53 PM.. |
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i'm just glad they kept the manual transmission with everyone going auto with paddles.
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M3's have always brought something unique in that generation. The S54 in the E46 which had the highest BHP per litre of any production car at the time. The S65 high revving motorsport derived naturally aspirated V8 in the e9x with a carbon roof and Getrag DCT gearbox. The F80 with CFRP drive shaft, carbon strut brace, solidly mounted rear subframe, fantastic electronic M differential, and a still reasonably high revving twin turbo straight six with the potential for prodigious power. It also had hugle improved reliability. People maligned its lack of soul but there was no doubt it was a performer. However it started the slide.. What does the G80 bring? An extra 300lbs, 4WD (lol), an 8 speed automatic, a choked 7.2K RPM redline, single piston rear calipers(?!!??). The carbon seats are nice, and as someone who likes to track the ability to run harnesses is a big deal. Ten stage traction control sounds great until you realize most people who track turn it all off anyway. The tech is a big step forward, I really like the digital dash and infotainment in my G20. But that isnt unique to the M3. At this point what differentiates it from an Audi? At least with Mercedes you can get a V8. They threw enthusiasts a bone in the US with the manual, but it will be the same manual from the F8X cars. There is zero chance they spent any development cash on improving it. Ultimately they will sell plenty of units and it will be a sales success. But at what cost? It's very clear there is no one left at BMW who understands what made the brand great in the first place. |
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I actually don't think the C8 will come close once you factor in boost, its a better chassis and hard to beat value, but i'd venture to say M4C AWD is faster in a straight line than a C8 base with a fuel change and bm3.
Z06 and other models change it up for sure. I do think there is enough delineation in one being a 2 seater RWD purist car, likely taking Porsche market share and the other being a potential 5 seater AWD do it all car to haul your kids to school in snow. |
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Cmon friends. Don't be lazy. Get your facts straight pls before posting.
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I am skeptical about the weight but won't make any conclusions until I have driven it. I like both the exterior and interior. People should wait until they drive this.
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I remember when the F30 launched people kept complaining about how the bmw solid feel is no longer there, it feels cheap, hollow blah blah blah.
So people complained about the weight, bmw complies and it has to give somewhere, it's not an exotic. Outcome, people still complain. I truly believe that we as enthusiast need to be careful what we ask for. I'll take extra weight to gain the luxury aspect, safety and solid feel it brings back in. These are street cars first and foremost. We enthusiasts make up a tiny tiny bit of their bottom line. Want a light weight track car? Plenty of other options out there. My C63S Coupe feels like it's made out of a solid piece of steel, feels incredible. It weighs over 4k lbs but it's still faster than M4 comp on multiple tracks.
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Wasn't it the Honda S2000?
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bullshit clearly you haven't looked at the S58 sticky'd technical document or looked at the power to weight?
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On a side note, the C63 definitely feels substantial. I don't find it nimble due to its weight, but it's a helluva muscle car.
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C63 doesn't feel nimble like a Giulia does. I actually like it better than my F82 M4, even on the mountains. Reminds me of my E92 M3.
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It's inevitable. The bitching that will ensue when all electric M3 launches. Good Lord.....
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If think you haven't read his post right. The concern some of us have is that this generation not only offers no step forward, it actually makes a few steps backwards. If an all electric ///M moves the game forward, I am all in.
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